The Predator to be filming by October according to Agence France Presse. With his latest film, The Nice Guys, due out at the end of May, Shane Black has been out promoting his upcoming comedy film. He has also been dropping some bits and pieces to do with his next project, The Predator. Talking to AFP, Shane Black revealed that filming on The Predator would start towards the end of the year:
“Black, who directed 2013 Marvel blockbuster “Iron Man 3,” confirmed shooting on “The Predator” would begin “in the latter part of the fall — September, October.”
The Predator to be filming by October!
Shane Black also spoke a little more about the scale of The Predator, hinting at a larger budget than the previous films: “Black said it would be a significantly “bigger” film than its three predecessors. “To the best of my knowledge, the train is rolling. It took some convincing because they’ve been putting out these movies all along with a $50-60 million budget, and they all had a guaranteed return.” Black previously spoke about the scale of his Predator sequel, describing it as an “event film”, something that people would be queuing up to see.
No cast has been confirmed, however Curtis James Jackson recently talked about the possibility of his appearance in The Predator and Arnold Schwarzenegger has said he is meeting with Black and would love to return. Speaking to AFP about Arnold, Shane Black said that Arnie’s involvement in The Predator is “something we’re looking into.”
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- No. Funnily enough, I meant what I said. Fan service is not simply doing something that pleases fans. As I said, that is just good writing. Fan service is where there's no reason besides pleasing the fans for doing something (i.e. unnecessary cameo's).
"You talk about bringing beloved characters back was necessary in Star Wars because they build a Story around them, but in The Predator it isn't? How do you even know that?"
- It wouldn't be fan service for Dutch to be written back into the story (as in, not an unnecessary cameo), although I'm not really keen on that idea (fan service aside) because I'd rather younger, better actors came in instead; Arnold Schwarzenegger is not a particularly good actor. But regarding fan service, were Arnold to be in the movie, I can't possibly imagine the creators of the film would be able to help but put fan service in (such as repeated lines). the
"Fan Service can be both necessary and unnecessary, it always depends on how the writer involves certain characters and how they build them into the Story. Just because it makes sense that a returning character is back on Screen doesn't make it any less of a fan Service, it just makes it well made fan service."
- I get what you're saying but that starts to blur a line quite a bit and I think when people talk about fan service, they are just talking about the negative kind.
"There are better and younger actors than Mark Hammilton and Harrison Ford, what does that have to do with anything?"
- I've already said, the 'Star Wars' universe has built itself around those characters. Dutch was a one time protagonist that does not require further exploring in the same universe. If 'Star Wars' continued this new trilogy without Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, people would be questioning where they are.
And like i said, you say the return of Dutch will make no sense, yet we know literally nothing about the Story. What is if he will be a integral part or a missing link in the story?"
- I didn't say it won't make sense. I said it's unnecessary and won't make the best 'Predator' film possible.
"We can only specualte, yet you want to make it a fact that Dutch will be a waste yet the movies i mentioned, namely Star Wars, Jurassic World etc. clearly Show that you can have fan Service and have it be part of a storyline that will explain in a pleasing way to the audience why the character is there on Screen."
- I've already explained why the comparison there doesn't work. Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and the Tyrannosaurus Rex are integral parts of their franchises.
It might be Predator because if The Rock is saying he's doing a film in 2017, and this movie comes out in 2018, then it's likely that.
After having a look, I can't find the tweet you're talking about, but according to Google, Shane Black thinks that the Rock would make a good Doc Savage. It could be that.
The rock just said on instagram he's doing a film in 2017 with shane black... It's not predator is it?
You're assuming that The Force Awakens and Jurassic World are good movies. Fan service is a B.S. gimmick when it comes to taking a new film in a franchise seriously.
Yup.
Enough lame bickering you ninnies
You talk about bringing beloved characters back was necessary in Star Wars because they build a Story around them, but in The Predator it isn't? How do you even know that?
Fan Service can be both necessary and unnecessary, it always depends on how the writer involves certain characters and how they build them into the Story. Just because it makes sense that a returning character is back on Screen doesn't make it any less of a fan Service, it just makes it well made fan service.
There are better and younger actors than Mark Hammilton and Harrison Ford, what does that have to do with anything? And like i said, you say the return of Dutch will make no sense, yet we know literally nothing about the Story. What is if he will be a integral part or a missing link in the story?
We can only specualte, yet you want to make it a fact that Dutch will be a waste yet the movies i mentioned, namely Star Wars, Jurassic World etc. clearly Show that you can have fan Service and have it be part of a storyline that will explain in a pleasing way to the audience why the character is there on Screen.
- I don't think you understand what fan service is. It doesn't just mean doing something that pleases the fans. That's just good writing. Fan service is where there's no reason besides pleasing the fans for doing something (i.e. unnecessary cameo's). The franchise had thus far been built around the Skywalker's and Han is a key part of that story as of 'Star Wars: Episode IV - The New Hope' so it makes sense for those characters to reappear. As for Luke Skywalker's brief appearance, as someone else said the story revolved around him still but his appearance ended leaving you wanting more (on a separate note I really dislike how much of a rip-off the movie is so am not really a fan) and obviously he's going to be in the next film a lot more. He didn't just appear for no real reason. Also, where he not to appear until the next movie, that would be copying the original trilogy even more (with Yoda).
"Right, on an Island full of dinos they Chose to have a final fight with the T-Rex and not any of the other gazillion dinos"
- Because as I said, it's the iconic dinosaur of the series. And it's an iconic dinosaur in real life so it would make sense to have it where it is in the park enabling the protagonist to get it.
"on top of that, letting it smash the Spino Skeleton. Even the filmakers said the T-Rex is there for his redemption only, so really, there is no arguing here."
And i never said the fact that there is a T-Rex is unbelievable... and so isn't that Dutch might return for another round."
- As I said, it sort of is fan service but it's still understandable within context. Dutch does not need to come back and shouldn't given that there are younger, far better actors. It would overall fall into a pit of fan service that I don't want to see.
Boom-ba Baby! Lol
Ha, now that you've mentioned stubborn differences, I guess there's two sides to every coin. Who can say who's right or who's wrong? Predator just trying to kill Dutch, or Dutch refusing to die? There's no right and wrongs in this one, just depends on how you look at things.
I still say Predator was hired by the guerillas to be their bodyguard. Nobody forced Dutch to come there. It's his own damn fault.
Enemy Mine.
Remake.
In TFA the could have made him the hero once again. Him comming to Starkiller only to find out it's too late to save Han but still saving Rey would have been very Luke-ish but still new. Insted we have a Luke coward chillin by the sea
In the ESB Luke goes back to Bespin to save his friends and face Vader even though he's not ready. Han Solo returns to save Luke in ANH so he can destroy the original Death Star. In TFA, both of them have run away from their problems and haven't come to the rescue of the anybody even though its clear that the whole galaxy could pretty much use their help. I thought that was cowardly and completely out of character for Luke and Han. I blame the poorly conceived story for this. Or you could just assume that in a galaxy far, far, away you can get away with that sort of stuff and still be idolized by people.
He doesn't have to go out and tell them. People could notice something's off with him, peek into his apartment and see a bunch of articles and research material he put up all over the walls or something. It doesn't take much for rumors to start spreading around. Stuff like "I heard he went crazy and killed his whole team, blamed it on aliens" or something. I assume Dutch is severely traumatized and carries a lot of psychological baggage from the encounter.
If done right, this movie could have the tone of Nolan's Batman.
Yes, so? The characters were beloved so they included them again, doing fans a favour, that's the whole Point.
Yes, the whole movie was about finding Luke, yet the whole movie played fine with out his actual appearance. It wouldn't change a thing if they left him out completely. They found out where he is, movie ends, fine. His actual appearance without a single word of dialogue was just for the fanboys, hence "fan-Service".
It would be the general population that laughs at him, not the government officials. The general population would think Dutch is a weirdo, and the government prefers it that way. Can't have everyone around know about aliens who make a sport out of hunting us.
The plot of the movie literally revolves around people trying to find him, so yeah, he was pretty story-driven.
The fact that they included the characters and build a Story around them does in no way determine the fact that they are fan Service, written in for the old School fans. The movie didn't Need them, they could have totally invent new characters and replace them and the movie would have been basically the same. Luke Skywalker is in it for like 5 seconds, hardly a story driven character in the movie
Right, on an Island full of dinos they Chose to have a final fight with the T-Rex and not any of the other gazillion dinos... on top of that, letting it smash the Spino Skeleton. Even the filmakers said the T-Rex is there for his redemption only, so really, there is no arguing here.
And i never said the fact that there is a T-Rex is unbelievable... and so isn't that Dutch might return for another round.
The problem I have with that is we've already had a movie set in the interim where people know all about the Predator (much more so than even the audience does) and have been spending a lot of time and money going after them. Suddenly reverting to "nobody knows but Dutch" wouldn't really gel.
Technically he'd be the second, after Anna's blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo in P2
- Luke and Han returning wasn't fan service. That's a continuing story in which they are an essential part.
Having the T-Rex return was sort of fan service but it's an island of dinosaurs and the T-Rex is the icon of the series so that's hardly unbelievable. On a side note, 'Jurassic World' is a quite poorly written film.
"There should be no re-used dialogue at all in this movie. It's painful to get through those moments in Predators."
- I disagree. It's become tradition for "You're one ugly mother..." to appear in each Predator film. Apart from that I agree.
I think it will revise the way Predator is and some will love it some will hate it, but it will still be the Predator you know.
I also don't think Arnie's return would be a bad thing. Plenty of ways to have him involved without it being unnecessary. His potential cameo in Predators would have been unnecessary. We just don't know how well his involvement would work with the film.
There are other, many interesting possibilities for bringing Arnold back other than putting a rifle into his hand and letting him shout "Get to the Choppaaaa", and he would actually be the first returning character in this franchise, that alone is intersting to me.
Luke Skywalkers return was fan Service, Han Solos return was fan Service, the T-Rex return in Jurassic World was fan Service... None of them were essential, but each of them were awesome, now get Arnold.
You're thinking of an action hero Dutch, but nobody wants that. Dutch would be perfect for some insight about the creature and the government could use him as a strategist of some sort. There's a lot of possibilities with the character, to see how he's been traumatized by the experience, maybe even devoted the rest of his life in finding out more about those creatures.
Nobody wants Dutch to pick up a weapon and fight.
What i like about Predator's characters is that they stayed grounded in reality in the right situations. Instead of going the classic 80s route with the tough guys hunting the Predator and shouting out one liners while smoking cigars they had them shit their Pants, they just wanted to get out of the f**king jungle alive and even Dutch at the end looks traumatised.
So i think having Dutch back as the ultimate tough guy all the sudden without psychological issues just wouldn't fit the character that much.
I think if they used Ernest Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea as an inspiration, they could make a film with Arnold as a central character that would work. Think about it, an old commando that hasn't caught a predator since 1987 (and mocked by the people in the village for it) goes out into the jungle one more time to catch the biggest predator of his life. Its that timeless tale about the power of perseverance that usually translates to box office gold (and often academy award nominations).
Also, if the studio could also somehow master the minimalist tone of the novel and have Arnold go in at it alone this time, the audience could have time to reflect on Arnold's intimate thoughts on old age, past glories, and being doubted in life, to make his hunt for the predator all that much more symbolic. We could see Arnold write in his journal with inner monologuing to really get to know who Dutch was and what insecurities from his youth led him into body building and the armed forces.
Then, after Arnold kills the predator, it would be his job to bring the corpse back to his village to prove his value for all to see. This is where the movie would get a bit like The Revenant with Arnold dragging the predator's course through the woods and fending it off against all sorts of wild animals and jealous Native Americans. Arnold would eventually resort to stripping the corpse of its technology and using predator weaponry to defend himself against the Earthly tribes and beasts. But by the the end of the film when he makes it back to his village, he is in full Predator gear and holding all that is left of his old foe, his skull. Arnold descends on his village as the new predator ready to hunt and kill all those that ever doubted him to begin with.
(Note: This ending would open the franchise for another sequel. Here, we can have Arnold be the bad guy (human in a predator suit) and Adrian Brody (or Danny Glover?) could come back to save the day.)
There's plenty of ways bringing Arnold back could work. It's not like he'll gear up Commando style and go against the Predator.
That's a good observation though we don't know if the script has been finalized, only that a complete draft was handed in. It could be possible there's a role in there that can work either way - ala Keyes.
This is pretty much the plot of Enemy Mine. Came out in 1985.
Yes please!
I know I don't want Arnold Schwarzenegger involved. I know I don't want it to be fan service-y although I know I want it to include "You are one ugly...". Most of all I don't want it to ruin previous films and that's the big worry that makes me not sure yet about whether I like that this is being made. I mean I love 'Predator' and 'Predator 2', I love the 'Alien' series and I really like 'Alien vs. Predator'. But logic suggests this will be contradictory to past canon and will possibly be fan service-y.
'Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem' was bad in almost every way.
'Predators' was alright in itself though kind of "meh" and basically could have been done a lot better but it also lessened the effect of the previous films by creating Super Predators that kill Predators fairly easily.
'Prometheus' was a horrible, contradictory mess that isn't even good in itself.
The wider franchise (as much as I hate considering 'Prometheus' as related) has thus far managed to stay away from fan service but knowing how modern franchise movies are, I'm doubtful.
That said, I would really like to see another good 'Predator' movie and more 'Alien vs Predator' movies (because they just exist for a bit of fun anyway I'm not so concerned with whether it might be bad). I don't want any more 'Alien' movies though as it's unnecessary and I have no faith that future filmmakers for the franchise won't contradict or otherwise ruin past films.