Following on from the previous news report, Daily Mail also talked to Ridley Scott and he’s only gone and made things even more confusing:
“Prometheus, Ridley declared, was not — as some have suggested — a prequel to his classic sci-fi shocker Alien. But he refused to divulge more.”
He also mentions production will start on Prometheus in 3 weeks and that he is really trying to keep the film in complete secrecy. “I was insistent that the script not leak onto the internet, where it gets dissected out of context, which spoils it for everyone.”
In regards to an unspecified cast member the article said: “Indeed, one of his actors told me that he could recite the entire screenplay to me — but then he’d have to wrestle me to the ground and, this was related in the nicest possible way, ‘kill me.”
Check out the Daily Mail website for more information. Scroll down to This sci-fi’s top secret and read on.
...but of course, if it sucks balls, THAT'S the time to make a fuss!!
Mind the cigar.
1) Space jockey's rock
2) but its not important to the plot of Alien
3) they fleshed it out a bit though eh?
4) but its not important to the plot of Alien
5) We'd love to see them expand on the SJ in this new movie like
6) but its not important to the plot of Alien
7) Head implodes.
"I think it's fair to say our smoothly running facility has suddenly developed a few problems, I can only hope we can all pull together over the next few days ...or else start ripping each others heads off!"
Unimportant under what circumstances though. My post is clear. See above post.
If you would kindly point out the piece in my post where I state the the Space Jockey is essential to the plot of Alien in any way. Then... yes , I will "get it"
I think you are the one not "getting" it. It's quoted in the first bloody line of the post, did you skim over that bit?
It was still responsible for the outcome of the colony though. Being picky here.
I think people are on different pages here. I'm trying to point out the Space Jockey is important to the Alien Saga as it stands now and holds a bit of weight. If people are going to be picky, you might as well pick any movie ever and say "but X wasn't critical to the plot". It's a moot point.
All that matters is the Alien Eggs, the novel and script are proof of that. The Jockeys and Dererlict simply serve as a placement for the whole piece. Even if they had been dropped, the Nostromo crew would still find the eggs because that is pivitol to the plot... dont you get it yet!! lol
And the ship even.
I think the folks are trying to say it is NOW an integral part of the saga. It's responsible for the sequel, and it churns out a hell of a lot of interest, otherwise we wouldn't be typing in the Prometheus thread which apparently has nought to do with Aliens.
It could be argued that the Space Jockey has caused more people to throw the toy's out the pram than the Alien has.
Seriously, the Jockey is about as crucial to the plot as the drinky birds on the table.
Thus once again showing that opinions can be wrong.
It's not vital to the plot. They could've gone onto the ship, come across the eggs, and the film changes not one iota. The Jockey isn't never even mentioned again for the rest of the film.
The plot is to get them onto the planet in order to then get the Alien on to the Nostromo. The Jockey adds texture, and I'm sure no one's trying to say it should've been cut, but it adds nothing plotwise. As I said, it's a money shot.
"The Thing" is one of my all time favourite movie's , but I don't need to know anything more about the creature or where it came from because the film does not expand on these elements. It's a crashed ship with a bad guy on board.
The Space Jockey injects wonder and imagination, questions without answers, the very core of Science Fiction.
To say the Space jockey is "so unimportant" is well past the mark in my opinion.
That's what I meant lol. Still, it would've been interesting to see how the S.J. played out in a prequel. You're right it's not important, but I think it could be, you only have to look at how opinions have grown to see there is a story there.
End of the day, cool as the Jockey was, it was in no way important to the plot.
Except for the fact that a central point of the Space Jockey scene is the discovery, by the crew, of the puzzling rupture in the creature's "chest". This was a beautiful (and IMHO important) piece of foreshadowing. And when done well, as it was in this movie, foreshadowing can help add that extra bit of layering and nuance...just one of the ingredients that can elevate a good movie into a great movie.
Yes it was for budgetary concerns, but the fact remains, they could've just gone into the that chamber - or possibly a much smaller more budget friendly chamber - and found a hole in the floor, without ever encountering the Jockey and it wouldn't have really changed anything.
From my understanding the only reason they wanted to remove it was was due to budget and that was more fox trying to have control over the project.
And since saying it was a prequel, he's said that it isn't.
Yes dandan buddy, ive got the blu ray, it's great , the signal is quite haunting i found, it will be interesting to see what a live space jockey will look like in prometheus, whether it actually gets out've the seat and moves around, or is in a "suit" as scott previously stated and kind of gets out've the navigators seat via the suit. i hope it's a creature grown into the seat. I think prometheus will be visually encaptivating, original and profoundly disturbing that will haunt the viewer. I really hope scott has got the uk 18 rating and the american R rating hes been asking for so it really pushes the boundaries, for me pg13/12a would hinder the film. Oh and if u look at the blu ray 6th dvd disc theres quite a fair bit of extra derelict deleted footage atleast 5 to 6 mins worth, you can see the jockey in the backround in one or two shots , worth looking at its not on the quadrilogy at all. blu ray exclusive.
Erm Not realy. the space jockey in the first part is a massive part of the story. Just because it doesn't feature in it that long doesn't mean its not important to the plot of the story.
No ones calling it an Alien film. It clearly is not. It apparently has links to the franchise of which we are fans and may provide back story's. That's enough for me to be interested.
The pilots ship was responsible for 2 full length tales about the Alien. I'd say it holds a little more weight than "dead stuff was in it"
...the thing is, Scott started it in the first place, and he DID say it would be a prequel "set 30 years before Alien" to quote his words ...personally after seeing Robin Hood, I've lost all interest anyway
You just summed up everything about the film and everything we've speculated over it. Bravo, my friend.
With that logic, you can't call Prometheus an Alien film just because there is a dead space jockey in the movie. If it's about jockeys, then its also the beginning of a new franchise and/or stand-alone film.
There is your logic right there.
I've been trying to link the giant "head pilot" to the jockey, since it was commonly referred to as "the Pilot" .
Not come up with much yet, other than the giant telescopic piece attached to the chair may or may not be something to do with it. All very interesting.
I actually enjoy this part more than the reveal.
so perhaps the jockey's are actually known as 'engineers'. I could be way off though