There’s a new interview with Ridley Scott over on The Wall Street Journal. There’s no major spoilers. Here’s the main points:
- The movie is about a higher being who challenges the gods.
- The last 8 minutes of the film ‘evolve into a pretty good DNA of the Alien one’. In other words, the movie ends where Alien picks up.
- Sigourney Weaver doesn’t make any kind of cameo appearance.
- The movie was shot in 3D with CGI.
Thanks to Darkoo for the news.
Craziness and hype is leading to a lot of overlooking here.
(Including myself)
...in other words we'll see the same form of story telling evolve in Prometheus that we did in Alien. That could mean a few things, but basically he's talking about the similarities from a story arc, atmosphere, characters, settings etc., non of which suggest this will be a prequel any more than we'll see an alien in there.... what's so hard to figure out about that? .
well if a film is supposed to be set before another doesn't that mean its a prequel??
http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/11/ridley-scott-last-8-minutes-of.html
And all these rumours about last 8 minutes of cognate DNA with original Riddley Scott's film just make me wish to watch them before the whole movie's story
Question I wonder how the POOR MAN'S STAN WINSTON, ADI felt when it got the boot for this film, and Predators! LOL, LMAO!
hmm, Syd Field talks about his discovery of the buildings blocks of filmscripts being like DNA back in 1998 in his book "The Screenwriter's Problem Solver"
i think it was the press release stating its no longer a direct alien prequel
Were they talking about DNA in film stories back then?
It might be nice to find out who coined the term in the context of screenwriting
I wonder will it be some weird Terminator style cycle where the Engineers are evolved humans through biomechanical parts (basically evolved androids). Who then travel a million light years across the universe and thus back in time and replant the humans on earth and......actually this is sounding so ridiculous as I type it.
That's obviously where the Darwinians get a foot in and say that evolution created the Engineers
Well if the Engineers created man, and man created androids. Who created the Engineers?
like an angel =]
Well, it does actually look as if the person who did the interview actually thought he said "Back To The Future" as in the movie. It's not just some product of the GoogleTranslation. Well, never mind, I suppose I'll have to wait and see if it comes back again straight from the director's mouth. I managed to ask the lady who did the Wall Street Journal if Ridley actually said Higher Beings and she said that he did and "higher Creatures" was something mentioned in the Google translation of the Blick article with no explanation, so it confusing shows the discussion going on about life forms that are "higher". (the words that translated as "higher creatures" also seems to translate as "higher beings"
At the moment people seem to be getting caught up in the snippet of info that "the last 8 minutes will give a pretty good DNA of the alien one." But we know from the marketsaw rumoured information that the term DNA in this case might be meant a lot more literally than just industry script talk. But again it's open to interpretation.
Anyway, now confirmed straight form horses mouth that the film ties into Alien. I guess Ridley isn't getting too bogged down in terms like Prequel and other shit.
Okay, what if Ridley is deliberately trying to confuse people?
I don't get what you mean.
I wonder if Ridley said the title to make people think that it's Lost style time travelling as a red-herring. Endless piddling
The Back To The Future comment most likely meant that he's going back to the franchise he started and that, now in the future (more than 30 years later) he's doing another one.
But it could also mean that the characters in the movie are going back within the movie and have to change events.
Maybe the the fight to save the future of the human race happens early on and for the rest of the film they have to go back and do things differently until BAM! they change something dramatically forever and create the ALIEN.
But we have to figure out first what the technology is that Prometheus gives to the humans. DNA CODE?
Well, I'm trying to work out whether Ridley was saying that in the film they were going back to the future and the Icelandic interview misunderstood, or did he actually say, "ahem,it's a "Back to the Future" style plot but without a time traveling Delorean car"
(sorry Swiss-German, not Icelandic, I've been too busy caught up trying to make head or tail of some Icelandic to English translation of some article about Prometheus)
Even if it was in relation to a more direct Alien prequel it seems the core ideas have carried over.
"Millions of years ago, there have been standing here and elsewhere more creatures".
What if the uncivilised place the explorers end up going to have many many many species populating it. Like on earth we have millions of animals and different races of humans. What if things are overpopulated and chaotic like in Blade Runner.
I personally hope that we've been thinking too narrowly about things in relation to Jockeys, ALIENS, Humans.
http://www.blick.ch/unterhaltung/kino/robin-hood-gabs-wirklich-146589
English translation from German.
72 he is. No age to give up big plans. The biggest: Alien, Part 5 "I am working on it. . It will go fast "After Hollywood era that means: The movie will come out in two years. The plot? A kind of "Back to the Future." Long before Sigourney Weaver was taking on board their space ship with the alien. Very long before. Scott is based on Erich von Daniken: "He has guessed right. Millions of years ago, there have been standing here and elsewhere more creatures. " It is a time when HR Giger's do not all monsters. "I have to create something new."
Prometheus was a titan who ruled the earth before the gods. Prometheus was not a human he was the second generation of gods. Gods came after Titans.
If the prometheus story plays a bigger role then there could be 2 different types of alien in this. Human space jockey and then something else.
Well your exemple won't work with me since i would tend to believe that the boxer is a higher being than the bum.
Physical abilities have everything to do with a superior being.
Prometheus was stronger than a regular human.
Take Ozymandias from Watchmen (the book not the movie) he's the pinacle of human evolution, he's free of emotion, he's like a mirror to Dr Manhattan who is actually a higher being, who is also not bound by human emotion.
The replicants are considered lower by their human creator who are in fact affraid of them.
If you did not get by the end of Blade Runner that the Replicants are higher beings than the humans that hunts them then Scott missed his point ^^
I keep quoting Blade Runner because from their interviews (and also those from Fassbender) it's the way Lindelof and Scott are going to deal with their artificial characters.
Scott did not hire Fassbender to play arigato mister roboto or some dumb pre programed machine but definitly to ask the same question as those in Blade Runner.
It just seems obvious to me that in the movie Scott is shooting (but you might be right in any other story) :
Gods = Engineers,
Prometheus = the artificial human David or Meredith
Humans = the human crew
It's fine if it's not for you.
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We'll have to agree that we disagree
Strength and speed have nothing to do with being of a higher being. Just means there strong and faster. That just like saying if a heavy weight boxer who can run extreme fast and having a PhD is of higher being than a bum who failed school and can't run.
If anything the lack of emotion makes a robot of lower being than humans. Humans are truly capable of independent though compared to a robot. Robots/ androids whatever are pre programmed with a set of pre defined behaviours. So even though they appear to be independent there are not.I don't see how that is of being of higher being when they have no independant thought
Okay. well, quite honestly I'm not up to date with screenwriters speak, I think probably when Ridley talked about it, it's the first time I've heard of it and it sounded like someone's private little language. But I did find a page about it the other day. http://johnaugust.com/2010/writing-from-theme
I wouldnt be surprised to see the thing they are stuck in (suitably Gigeresque and biotech in appearance) feast on its organs only to regenerate them with biotech only for the same to happen the next day, over and over again through the hundreds of thousands of years past that time. Dark stuff, just trying to picture the biomechanical structure that would do that is pretty heavy (also the thing would regenerate the Engineer as a whole so they stay alive across that vast amount of millenia...)
It also goes with that if the plynth shown in leaked screen caps with its numerous pods had more than one Engineer on it, that some of these pods had no Ragnarok proofing and broke down, leading to the death of the other imprisoned Engineers (or even leading to an Elder and Younger one released as stated in other rumours).
Hear, hear.
Prometheus will be its own film but we might be able to catch a glimpse of a the Nostromo at the end of the movie. We might get to see Ash get his original orders to "bring back the life form" as a top priority in his mission. We may even get to see how the Space Jockey in the original film got that gapping hole in his chest (something that I always wondered about but could never quite figure out).
Anyways, that's what I think Ridley means by Alien DNA. We will simply get visual references to the first movie in glorious 3D to reinforce the notion that this movie takes place in the same universe. Otherwise, without these references, that fact might go over some of our heads.
Like...'I TOLD you so!!!', if that's your beef.
...revenge...cold...etc...
Why? Do i look hot to you?
I don't like the "case closed" thingie.
It sounds a lot like STFU.
Don't discuss this or that.
What's the DNA thingie's not a fact yet.
Both theories are still valid.
I tend to believe that it will be actual DNA because of what the movie is about.
And also because it works with the most accurate leak ie the marketsaw leak that said that in the final act the movie drift into ALIEN territory with creatures hunting down humans in a spaceship.
DNA of the the ALIEN spirit, and also actual DNA of the creatures.
BOTH!
I rest my case.
The jury is in.
The verdict is :
I'm right and you're wrong.
Case closed.
Definitly Fun! We'lla have to do it again sometime
Chill.
OOOOH So you know that for a fact?
You've seen or read Prometheus?
Or even better you are Sir Scott!
How do the Engineers create life? Magic?
I don't close any option.
But it's definitly not ONLY metaphoric talking.
Why cant it be both especially when all the infos tend to prove that bio engineering is at the core of the movie.
You mean like...DNA?
case closed.
Well i don't see how DNA cannot come into play in a movie that deals with godlike creatures that engineers worlds and creatures...
Always has been. It's never been referenced in any quotes to infer literal genetics. Always in reference to the DNA (in other words, structure and story formula) of the original film.
And I suspect that any creatures we end up seeing will essentially be based on a concept shown in another of Giger's films; 'Species'. The genetically 'untainted' and relatively pure stock of Alien creature, before successive generations genetically adapt to host DNA assimilation.
It's the only way he'll realistically be able to achieve what he's talked about wanting to do, ever since his first DVD commentary about the original film: Redesign the same creature's look.
Indeed! Just a teaser trailer for now! Just something!
A being that his faster, stronger and probably more intelligent than any human is in my mind a higher being.
Also his judgement and actions are not clouded by emotion and if he start to think on it's own then we are in trouble.
The creation becoming more powerful than its creator and taking over him as the next step in evolution is a recurent theme in scifi especially with artificial humans. If the replicants did not have a expiration date, they would definitly be the ruling class.
It fits the Prometheus myth and what we know of the movie so far perfectly.
If so, I hope it will be one of the sluggish Giger ones as in his original designs and not the films.