Quote from: Stitch on Jul 19, 2023, 03:09:16 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2023, 05:01:56 AM@Stitch @HuDaFuK You're up ^
Do I have to be? Fine.
Quote from: ralfy on Jul 19, 2023, 02:04:52 AMYes, but why do you think my interpretation is invalid?
Because you are using information in the movie to come to a conclusion. You are then using your own conclusions to back up other hypotheses.
I'm not going to go into your massive wall of text (most of which amounts to speculation, or overly complicated conclusions which ignore Occam's razor), but a lot of your arguments are baseless, and your conclusions seem to be made to fit a predetermined point of view, instead of being based on what is shown.
You have ideas, and use them to prop up your other hypotheses, building up to a house of cards which cannot be stable because it has a faulty foundation.
You want interpretation and now argue otherwise. How does that make sense?
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 19, 2023, 08:54:34 PMThe Egg on the Sulaco thread deserves this fate.
The fate of reasoning.
Quote from: Jonjamess on Jul 19, 2023, 10:04:06 PMQuote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2023, 11:46:06 PMQuoteThe second scene is also important, but not only because it explains how the colony became infected but because what happened to the colony personnel mirrored what happened to the Nostromo crew. This reinforces the point that the company was strongly involved, as the colony manager received instructions from a top W-Y official (the latter explained by Cameron).
I say this so boldly because I know he's not reading these replies, but f**king christ how can anyone be this f**king stupid?
The WY official is Burke. And only Burke. How do we know? The film explicitly tells us the order to investigate the derelict was given by him. There's a whole scene about it.
f**king hell.
He's not on my ignore list so hopefully he sees this! Because this is the ultimate madness of it all. He's making parts of the movie up. He's interpreting a scene where they explicitly tell us Burke ordered them to investigate the Derelict and claiming it was some off screen top company official! His behaviour is actually insane now.
Burke is not working alone but, according to Cameron, head of a special services division. He adds that it's in charge of research.
Why is he not working alone? Because the division is not separate from W-Y but part of it, together with bio-weapons, mining, and terraforming.
In the real world, corporations are made up of divisions in charge of different products and services. The heads of each division are appointed by a CEO, who in turn is hired by a board of directors representing investors who own the company.
In short, Burke is not working for himself but for the company. He was selected by W-Y to represent the company during the hearing. If he decided to contact the colony manager to send someone to investigate the site, he did so as director of that special services division. That means the colony manager, who also works for W-Y, received instructions from Burke, another employee of the same corporation.
Why Burke and not, say, employees from terraforming, mining, and bio-weapons? Because the one in charge of acquiring and researching on alien organisms and tech is Burke's division.
Finally, about the profanities and drama queen antics like referring to me as "insane", there's no need to take this personally. LOL. All I'm doing this is seeing what happened in the movie in light of what happens in the real world, and I think Cameron did the same.
To reinforce that last point:
Cameron grew up during the Vietnam War and made this movie during the Reagan era. By then, more were talking about collusion between the military, industry, and government to profit from war, and the government supported that in order to strengthen the status of the U.S. as a superpower nation. In order to ensure increased funding, it deregulated the economy, allowing the rich to become even richer, especially through financial gambling.
That's why not only the second but the first movie allude to these: giant corporations like W-Y coming up with requirements for personnel to investigate alien phenomena so that it could monetize them, seeing them as expendable, forming things like bio-weapons divisions with the military being the obvious major client, and the Nostromo crew getting their share of the profits, the Jordens as wildcatters, and Burke as part of a research division of the same company. The presence of a bio-weapons division alludes to the same military industrial complex.
That's why the first post of this thread refers to an analysis of the movie in light of the Reagan years, with other topics, like feminism, also discussed.
What I did was connect that analysis with the content of the movie, and now added what Cameron said about Burke and others, as some kept insisting that according to Cameron Burke worked alone. It turns out that there was some confusion about that: either he worked alone (i.e., the company didn't care) or he worked alone only in the sense that he was head of a division that's tasked to researching on such finds (according to what Cameron said).
I support the latter. But in response to that, I'm referred to as "insane" and even said to see the movie in a "cartoonish" way. That is, it's absurd for a company to be "evil"; rather, it didn't care, and Burke was working solely as a private individual and had the power to do so.
I used to think the same way, too, but I was watching shows like "Wacky Races" then. Hence, the reference to Dick Dastardly twirling his mustache.
Last point: I think the trolling will not only continue but will grow worse, so I'd rather keep the ignore function in place. I'll reconsider if it stops and forum members become mature about this.
