Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jun 14, 2023, 09:21:45 AMYou know, the ignore button brings so much bliss... I haven't had to read any of Ralfy's tripe for days... I just see the aftermath of replies and ponder what it was today...maybe its a Bishop works for Burke kinda day... maybe WeYu is the government/illuminati, maybe it's just a "eVeRyOnE kNeW aBOut ThE dErElicT 'cAusE oF tHE NosTRomOs bLaCK bOX...SOMEONE ANSWER THIS" sorta vibe... ahh the possibilities 😂
Time for me to do the same, then, and only because you're now resorting to trolling, e.g., compares getting details from a movie with references to the illuminati, and then give more personal insults like using 4chan typing. That's the height of trolling.
Quote from: oduodu on Jun 14, 2023, 01:21:33 PMQuote from: ralfy on Jun 14, 2023, 02:00:18 AMQuote from: Jonjamess on Jun 13, 2023, 08:56:12 AMQuote from: SiL on Jun 13, 2023, 01:47:43 AMThe movie doesn't show that Bishop works for Burke.
We don't actually need to consider points you make up because you weren't paying attention.
I'll completely admit I glossed over the fact Burke had the live ones in mind when instructing Bishop.
But as you say there is still zero evidence in the movie Bishop takes orders or is working for Burke. He works for that particular Colonial Marine detachment, and he clearly takes orders from people like Gorman or Apone. But as I mentioned Gorman or Apone didn't really seem to care about the facehuggers dead or alive and weren't really qualified to make any decisions regarding seizing those specimens. So they probably just went along with Burke's advice and Bishop's logic in that instance.
From the movie:
Bishop: "Mr. Burke have instructions that they were to be kept alive in stasis for return to the company labs. He was very specific."
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 13, 2023, 10:20:02 AMQuote from: Engineer on Jun 13, 2023, 01:49:56 AMMore word vomit!!
Quoted for truth
Can't do analysis, so resorts to personal insults.
Quote from: oduodu on Jun 13, 2023, 02:22:36 PM"hey ripley what happened to the other 6 people ? why were some of them not on the lifeboat with you? where were they when the engines detonated?
so you either killed or disabled all of them for no good reason. "
I think the lifeboat could only hold two people.
i think there was 2 lifeboats
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 14, 2023, 11:31:56 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2023, 05:38:40 AMI bet you got through to him this time.
Only a few more posts and it'll be settled me thinks.
lmfao
bishop is a piece of machinery governed by asimov s 3 robot laws. his work is to do whatever he is programmed to do. as the property of wy he is applying his programming on a ship owned by his creators and programmers. burke as an employee of wy might therefore be in a authorative position as per bishop s prigramming more than the marines. but he doesnt work for burke personally. hence he cannot do something illegal even if ordered by burke .
From what I remember, there was only one, and that could hold two crew members. That's why when that was raised when only three of them were left, Ripley said they'll figure out what to do after. That became a non-issue when only she survived.
About Asimov's point, I don't know know what people would say about Ash.
According to one manual, Bishop works for the Marines. In which case, he would not bother following what "Mr. Burke" wants. Besides, as Ripley points out, the mission is under military jurisdiction, unless the government works with the company (who else would buy bioweapons if not the military?). In which case, this also explains why Bishop was analyzing the facehuggers as the Marines were out on a mission.
And yet he makes it very clear that he does and points that out to Ripley. Instead of arguing with him, Ripley goes to Burke and argues with him instead.
Bishop doesn't have to work for Burke personally because he likely works for the company, just like Burke, and what the company would want is for them to send the facehuggers to company labs.
About doing something illegal, you're right, because Ripley would point out later that they wouldn't get pass the ICC with the facehuggers, which is why Burke decided to have Ripley and Newt infected. That also shows that Burke is making mistakes because he would have known that, too, which is why his instructions to Bishop don't make sense. The same would apply to government and company. What happened, then?
I think they assumed that just like in the first movie, there would be only one alien, and that the Marines would be able to take it down readily. After which, they would rescue survivors and in bring more company and government personnel to secure both the colony and the alien ship, and then even set up company labs nearby. That way, there'd be no violation of ICC regulations.
Quote from: caffeine4671 on Jun 14, 2023, 10:51:18 PMWell, for the shuttle and some of the equipment and electrical systems I'd imagine that's actually the canon reason.
Now for things like the computers and stuff looking 'cheap' (like they were made in 1978, eh, eh? :b), the simplest explanation is just that it's an aesthetic design choice.
It actually helped because one point was to create a blue-collar atmosphere, e.g., space truckers and grunts. For the second movie, I think they had budget constraints, so the film crew used aircraft and military surplus nearby.
To recap, we have an additional point about the illegality of transporting alien organisms and Burke's orders to Bishop to prepare the facehuggers for such. He made the mistake of knowing that the ICC would block them, and probably only when Ripley started confronting him about his instructions to Bishop. He made a mistake with that, too, because from the hearing and from his discussion with Ripley, she made it very clear that she was very much against it:
QuoteRipley: Burke, just tell me one thing. That you're going out there to kill them. Not study. Not bring back. Just burn them out...clean ...forever.
Burke: That's the plan. My word on it.
Also, that sounds believable given Burke's point that they just want to secure the terraforming project, but Ripley would have wondered why they're sending a heavily armed team, and she is needed. That would only mean that the colony had been infected, and that meant that they found the alien ship. But was it accidental? Van Leuwen pointed out that they had been there two decades and saw nothing, which means they were sent to it.
In which case, Ripley would have anticipated the following, which is why she agreed to join them: that just like in the first movie, there'd probably be only one alien, and that the Marines would be able to destroy it, and from there she'd argue with Burke about the alien ship, etc. But if the company had the nerve to send someone to check out the alien ship, then it's likely that they had plans to monetize the find.
This also puts to question the weird view that the company didn't care, and then suddenly cared after the colonists found the alien ship. That line of thinking sounds ridiculous, as companies care for the bottom line, which is maximization of profits. In which case, whatever special order they implicitly argue to Ripley they know nothing about remained in place. In short, nothing changed throughout the decades that Ripley was gone.