Quote from: The Kurgan on Feb 03, 2019, 09:58:02 AM
Quote from: TurokSwe on Feb 03, 2019, 09:12:46 AM
But the film doesn't even establish David as the creator, it leaves the issue up to interpretation, and other works contradict the idea of David as creator (eg. the official novel of Covenant and the home video release of Prometheus). You don't have to ignore anything, you simply need to put it all in context, so it turns out David is merely producing his very own variants of Xenomorphs, not creating the species as a whole.
Except it does. And no amount of handwaving about it "being open to interpretation" makes it so.
Who cares what the novel says? The novelizations of Aliens and Alien contradicted a lot of stuff in the movies, nobody thinks that is actually canon.
A marketing short from a previous movie contradicting the later movie also proofs nothing as it is just that, a special feature from a previous movie. And if that is not enough for you, Ridley, same director of Covenant and Prometheus stated that David did it. Why do you give a little extra from the movie more weight than the word of the director of the same movie?
You can claim you proofed anything all you want, when you not even proved that the scene in the actual movie, the one with David going through his experiments, is actually up for interpretation, all the "evidence" outside of the movie does not matter, cause the actual movie trumps novelizations, previous crossover entries and home release extras of previous entries.
And no, how long the black goo existed is also no evidence for anything.
And of course we have old Ridles statement that you also conveniently handwave away because it does not fit your argument. All that while one of your arguments is what the directors and crew of the AVPs had to say on the matter. Is it because one fits your narrative and one does not?
Also please stop trying to guesswork Fox's intention on the whole matter to give your arguments some kind of "official" weight, when you actually get told how they see it again and again and again by one who actually works with them.
Except it doesn't, and refusing to make a case for it won't make your insistence any less unfounded. At least I made a hopefully well-reasoned case for my stance in my OP. The actual movie still indeed leaves the issue up to interpretation, and the official novel for
Covenant and the home video release of
Prometheus still contradicts the claim of David as creator (and so does various other previous works of course). The fact that the black goo has existed for billions of years provides a great deal of room for several different forms of Xenomorphs to develop and be designed by different individuals and factions of Engineers multiple times, and so if the black goo so easily produces Xenbomorph-like creatures and David could so easily produce his own variants, then why could they not have arisen many times before? Noting that the official novel states that they did. Noting that I'm not "guessworking" Fox's intention as we can make a good case for what their stance actually is, as argued in my OP.
Quote from: yhe1 on Feb 03, 2019, 10:05:01 AM
Just because you can make a case for a share universe, that doesn't make it true. Fox, via the wy report, says there are two universes
It's the very fact that I did make a well-reasoned and well-evidenced case for the shared universe that does make it true. Also, I repeat,
The Weyland-Yutani Report does NOT imply that there are supposedly "two different universes".
Quote from: The Kurgan on Feb 03, 2019, 10:05:59 AM
Quote from: TurokSwe on Feb 03, 2019, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Feb 03, 2019, 09:10:19 AM
Quote from: TurokSwe on Feb 03, 2019, 09:03:18 AM
Please read my OP.
People did. It is just not the indisputable truth you claim it is. Regardless how often you claim it.
At best (if they've actually read it at all), they must have skimmed through it all out frustration at its contents.
Quote from: TurokSwe on Feb 03, 2019, 10:00:37 AM
I doubt they have, and at best they may have skimmed through it. Once again, I NEVER implied that my OP was supposedly "infallible" so please stop misrepresenting me. I merely suggested that it's the strongest case that can be made, and since you have not been able to properly respond to its arguments, I take that as confirmation that you reluctantly agree with its contents but refuse to endorse it because it's not what you want. Noting that my statement that Fox considers all twelve films canon is an overview of the contents of my OP and thus demonstrably accurate. You have not yet demonstrated anything to the contrary.
Dat arrogance
What "arrogance"? Noting that this was quite the juvenile response on your part.
Quote from: yhe1 on Feb 03, 2019, 10:11:18 AM
Then there is nothing more to argue. The wy report said that charles and peter don't exist in the same universe. So there are two universes
And I repeat once more,
The Weyland-Yutani Report states NO SUCH THING.