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The Creatures of Alien: Paradise Lost?

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Science fiction movie network Scified is claiming that they have insider information relating to the creatures we can expect to see in Ridley Scott’s Prometheus sequel, Alien: Paradise Lost:

“The movie will have 2 Monsters, one is new and both are different yet similar to the Xeno DNA. The NEW Monster is a New Event, so it’s nothing created before the Events of the end of the First movie…. it’s created by an event in the movie… and this New Monster is going to be based off of the Original Concept that Alien drew influence from, and this idea is something they had planned with Spaights’ Ultramorph and so Gigers Necomonicon 4 is the starting point. This Monster will be transparent like a Jelly Fish to a degree…. and it’s hinted that David plays a part in its creation.”

The concept of a transparent Alien was explored in the first film. The Creatures of Alien: Paradise Lost?

The concept of a transparent Alien was explored in the first Alien film.

The Deacon would ultimately replace the Ultramorph in Prometheus as released. The Ultramorph was an Alien born from the last surviving Engineer in Spaiht’s original version. Whilst it never appeared transparent in those earlier drafts, it was a concept that was explored in Alien and ultimately abandoned.

As always with this kind of report, take it with a grain of salt.


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  2. Born Of Cold Light
    Posted
    Quote from: pred169 on Nov 18, 2015, 06:35:39 PM
    Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Nov 14, 2015, 03:25:40 AM
    Regardless of what they choose for the monster, I really want a scene like this (I believe this is a Huante pic):

    https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/ultramorphhuantewow.jpg

    We've seen the inner jaws used hundreds of time, but only Alien went out of its way to show just how visceral and disturbing they really are.  Scenes like this could really bring back the horror, even if we know what the creature looks like.
    I agree.
    That moment of terror when you see the events unfolding in front of you and you know what's about to happen....but can't do a damn thing about.

    Pure terror at its finest.

    There's actually a cut scene from Alien 3 right before Clemens dies that does the same thing; why it was removed, I don't know.

    This is a cool design I came across:

    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Ff73ZUNk.jpg&hash=cfc5aa38bf7644ec72a3f9775df4e38fdbb6a5ee
    Reply
  3. pred169
    Posted
    Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Nov 14, 2015, 03:25:40 AM
    Regardless of what they choose for the monster, I really want a scene like this (I believe this is a Huante pic):

    https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/ultramorphhuantewow.jpg

    We've seen the inner jaws used hundreds of time, but only Alien went out of its way to show just how visceral and disturbing they really are.  Scenes like this could really bring back the horror, even if we know what the creature looks like.
    I agree.
    That moment of terror when you see the events unfolding in front of you and you know what's about to happen....but can't do a damn thing about.

    Pure terror at its finest.
    Reply
  4. CainsSon
    Posted
    Quote from: PrimitifAlien on Nov 15, 2015, 08:30:33 PM
    The lifecycle you describe only involves human DNA to say it simple (Engineer DNA = Human DNA) and I agree.

    The mural crucified creature seems to have another genetic program. Here is the recipe :
    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Mural_zpsowmbmi47.jpg&hash=2341df78e28e08f820fd062662776822d283c91d
    You recognize the trilobite, which will impregnate this alien creature, head between knees, and leads to this mural creature.

    If you want the explanation, here it is :
    Spoiler

    From what we see it Prometheus and what you explained in your post :

    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Trilobite_zpsmhw9pxrn.jpg&hash=2900368b9cfc9b26ca12ee441cce2134147fb83b

    Then :
    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Deacon.jpg_zpsacobkvkk.png&hash=f612309a45dd450966ac5aad16e990f4b9ed6173

    From what we learn in Alien :
    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Xenomorph_zpslywubu4l.jpg&hash=977346ba75415489def7911122f7191cf1c6bbd4

    So how is the egg created ?
    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Alien%2520Egg_zpslov6stjg.jpg&hash=14bd96f8c8b8d5f72540df198f94a7dcb8120a16
    Yes , this infected creature will lay infected eggs containing facehuggers, the same way infected Holloway and Shaw gave birth to the trilobite !
    Note that this creature is very similar to the usual xenomorph (thorn on the elbow, excrescence near the shoulder...) but hasn't got the penis head.
    I know it is difficult to distinguish the thight but the iliac crest is visible and it may go downwards, that's why I think this PRE-xenomorph creature infected by a trilobite would give birth to the mural crucified creature  8)

    Many people wonder if the goo is made by alien DNA or if xenomorphs are created by the goo. My explanation is the latter option, Damon Lidelof hints it here, also in the audio commentaries of the movie.

    Now will Ridley stick to that for the sequels is another story.

    [close]

    This is kinda fun.
    Maybe the mutated human, having interacted with the goo, like Holloway and Fifield more so, eventually becomes that creature in the mural. And then the Trilobite facehugs that creature and THAT makes the alien.
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  5. Primordial
    Posted
    Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Nov 17, 2015, 06:13:11 AM
    The Deacon lifecycle, from a purely biological perspective, makes little sense

    We still don't know how the adult Deacon reproduces.

    The eggs are also supposed to be weapons :

    Quote from: Ridley Scott (Raw Alien 20th Anniversary DVD  Commentary)a... an aircraft Carrier, a battlewagon of a civilisation, and the eggs were a cargo which were essentially weapons. So right, like a large form of bacteriological stroke biomechanoid warfare.
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  6. Born Of Cold Light
    Posted
    The Deacon lifecycle, from a purely biological perspective, makes little sense, while the xenomorph lifecyle does.  My theory is that this is because the creatures in Prometheus were explicitly made as weapons, and their convoluted lifecycles were meant to create as much death and chaos as possible.
    Reply
  8. Primordial
    Posted
    The lifecycle you describe only involves human DNA to say it simple (Engineer DNA = Human DNA) and I agree.

    The mural crucified creature seems to have another genetic program. Here is the recipe :
    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Mural_zpsowmbmi47.jpg&hash=2341df78e28e08f820fd062662776822d283c91d
    You recognize the trilobite, which will impregnate this alien creature, head between knees, and leads to this mural creature.

    If you want the explanation, here it is :
    Spoiler

    From what we see it Prometheus and what you explained in your post :
    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Trilobite_zpsmhw9pxrn.jpg&hash=2900368b9cfc9b26ca12ee441cce2134147fb83b

    Then :
    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Deacon.jpg_zpsacobkvkk.png&hash=f612309a45dd450966ac5aad16e990f4b9ed6173

    From what we learn in Alien :
    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Xenomorph_zpslywubu4l.jpg&hash=977346ba75415489def7911122f7191cf1c6bbd4

    So how is the egg created ?
    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1064.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu364%2FPrimitifAlien%2FAvP%2520galaxy%2FEquation%2520Alien%2520Egg_zpslov6stjg.jpg&hash=14bd96f8c8b8d5f72540df198f94a7dcb8120a16
    Yes , this infected creature will lay infected eggs containing facehuggers, the same way infected Holloway and Shaw gave birth to the trilobite !
    Note that this creature is very similar to the usual xenomorph (thorn on the elbow, excrescence near the shoulder...) but hasn't got the penis head.
    I know it is difficult to distinguish the thight but the iliac crest is visible and it may go downwards, that's why I think this PRE-xenomorph creature infected by a trilobite would give birth to the mural crucified creature  8)

    Many people wonder if the goo is made by alien DNA or if xenomorphs are created by the goo. My explanation is the latter option, Damon Lidelof hints it here, also in the audio commentaries of the movie.

    Now will Ridley stick to that for the sequels is another story.

    [close]
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  9. T Dog
    Posted
    Quote from: PrimitifAlien on Nov 15, 2015, 07:18:59 AM
    They surely knew about the Deacon with all the experiments they did. However, the mural looks like a crucified Deacon but is not imo. This one has the iliac crest going down the tight (at least midway) then it gets thicker, unlike the Deacon which seems more human in that aspect.
    I assume they knew (judging by the mural) but the Deacon recipe/life cycle is quite complex as shown in the movie:

    Douchebag becomes infected by David and his sperm impregnates Shaw.
    Shaw creates squid thang!
    Squid thang impregnates Engineer.
    Engineer births Deacon.

    So what other routes or shortcuts would the Engineers have found to create the Deacon?

    The only thing that might make sense is that the black goo is derived from an original Deacon and the new one created at the end of Prometheus is more evolved?
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  10. Primordial
    Posted
    They surely knew about the Deacon with all the experiments they did. However, the mural looks like a crucified Deacon but is not imo. This one has the iliac crest going down the tight (at least midway) then it gets thicker, unlike the Deacon which seems more human in that aspect.
    Reply
  12. Ratchetcomand
    Posted
    I want to see the Deacon return just to see what it really is. I remember people where saying it's the first xeno created while other sources say it's not.
    Reply
  14. Primordial
    Posted
    Quote from: Saggit on Nov 13, 2015, 10:56:05 AM
    I'm afraid this movie is going to be even more messed up than the first one. We had a zombie, giant squid, swimming penis-eel and retarded Xenomorph (Deacon).

    Prometheus     suggest you that if you want an aesthetically pleasing creature to be made, you have to choose with care the organism to infect with the black goo, and the host as well. It's hardly a stretch to say that all the creature you mention were formed randomly.
    Reply
  15. TS
    Posted
    In order to expand the Alien universe as mysteriously and as "Alien" as possible, not talking about gung ho mindless Aliens (Aliens was great but a 2nd type would probably not be so interesting) Ridley Scott's path with Alien Paradise Lost and Prometheus is needed... So all you people b!thcing about just making a 5th Alien sequel think about Alien 3, Alien Res, AVP's and all that sh!t and let the man make something cool in peace...
    Reply
  17. Saggit
    Posted
    Deacon, Ultramorph, translucent something... What the f@#$? Just make an Alien movie for Christ sake! And good one if you may dear Mr. Scott. I'm afraid this movie is going to be even more messed up than the first one. We had a zombie, giant squid, swimming penis-eel and retarded Xenomorph (Deacon). What's next? Maybe they should add Predator, Han Solo, Cylons and Commander Shepard to the mix?
    Just make a good Alien movie!
    Reply
  19. david8
    Posted
    Yeah but I didn't take it so literally. I took it more as a visual cue or easter egg, otherwise it doesn't quite follow why Darkhorse would go from illustrating Deacons only to be forced to scrap that, and instead try to subtly imply the Deacon grew at a gigantic rate and became a mountain lol
    Reply
  20. Corporal Hicks
    Posted
    Quote from: david8 on Nov 13, 2015, 05:42:35 AM
    The Darkhorse comics ignored the Deacon, and original art indicated that they'd intended to use Deacons but were forced by FOX to change things, save for some giant rock formation shaped like a Deacon. All that seems to me that we haven't seen the last of it; it was just a baby at the end of the first film after all. 

    Spoiler
    They hinted that the Deacon was actually that massive mountain.
    [close]

    Reply
  21. david8
    Posted
    The Darkhorse comics ignored the Deacon, and original art indicated that they'd intended to use Deacons but were forced by FOX to change things, save for some giant rock formation shaped like a Deacon. All that seems to me that we haven't seen the last of it; it was just a baby at the end of the first film after all. 
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  24. marrerom
    Posted
    Cool, I'm looking forward to seeing different "strains" of the Xenomorph. 

    "The movie will have 2 Monsters, one is new and both are different yet similar to the Xeno DNA. The NEW Monster is a New Event, so it's nothing created before the Events of the end of the First movie.... it's created by an event in the movie... "

    The way this is worded leads me to think that the other monster, the one that's not "new", could be the Deacon.
    Reply
  29. oduodu
    Posted
    Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2015, 07:54:18 PM
    Thank you kindly. Fascinating. I'd like to see Giger's egg silo personally. I really want a Giger-esque film this time. Something more true to his design aesthetic.

    I am glad I can provide something of use!!
    LOL
    Xeno alpha did a great job on that article. There is also something about holography and lambert.

    Important thing is you can see clearly where some of the ideas in prometheus came from. Unused ideas. That's clear from his comments in that article. Thanks xeno aplha.

    Corporal Hicks

    That would be great if they used the giger design.
    Reply
  33. oduodu
    Posted
    There was a storyboard from ridley for alien where he wanted to use flying robotic mice that would automatically fix things and that was an unused idea as far as I remember. My memory aint the greatest. That's where the idea I think for the spectragraphs came from.
    Reply
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