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Daniel Twiss Talks Prometheus

There’s a fairly interesting interview on IfOnlyUK with Daniel Twiss AKA Daniel James who plays one of the Engineers in Prometheus. He talks about his time on set, what it was like working with Ridley Scott and what it was like in the costume. But most of all, he reveals his character’s fate. Fairly big spoilers below:

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  1. Symn
    But who made the engineers?

    That was kinda of my point. The engineers might of derived from 'natural' processes, evolved mightily and then created us. The idea that we aren't of natural origin doesn't preclude our makers from being so.... I guess.

    The engineers made themselves. They don't even procreate, they just cre-ate (themselves) genetically, via some religious protocol of gene-sequencing that outlines what their race SHOULD be. And in the process of their demented quest for being perfect they eradicated all their women.
  2. Deuterium
    @deuterium

    Thank you for comprehending and liking my Hitchcock twist, 'out of the box' idea.

    Who knows, it may yet come to pass:

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    Again, imaginative insights...and if there has to be a feed-back loop that somehow involves humanity, I would prefer your take on the concept.

    ...and you were the only one to notice my sig. based on "The Right Stuff".  Not sure if anyone else happened to notice the "Ridley" reference / quote under my avatar, but it is a phrase uttered a few times during the film by Chuck Yeager (Sam Shepard), right before historical awesomeness would ensue.  I thought it made for a nice "wink" to the artist behind Prometheus.
  3. 180924609
    @deuterium

    Thank you for comprehending and liking my Hitchcock twist, 'out of the box' idea.

    Who knows, it may yet come to pass:

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  4. ryanjayhawk
    But who made the engineers?

    That was kinda of my point. The engineers might of derived from 'natural' processes, evolved mightily and then created us. The idea that we aren't of natural origin doesn't preclude our makers from being so.... I guess.

    This would also explain how unicorns are real too.

    http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Asian++unicorns++face++extinction+risk&NewsID=333372

     :P
  5. Skylark Duquesne
    No doubt it sounds grandiloquent, very much in tune with the main trailer's music. And it's likely to be a huge pain in the neck for people who do the foreign versions. How would you translate "they engineered us" in another language ? The result is going to be awkward any which way.
  6. Skylark Duquesne
    "Creator" has a religious connotation, it evokes a fearful reverence or subservience.
    "Engineer" suggests a colder, mathematical mind, with dark designs and cryptic motivations.
    I have an impression (which might prove completely wrong) that Scott's intention is to debunk the delusion(s) at the core of all monotheistic creeds.
  7. NGR01
    There is no ending to that ^^
    I just find how they get the name quite lame.
    I would have prefered that they did not named them on screen.
    OH WATCH OUT THE ENGINEER IS COMING!!!!
    THAT ENGINEER IS REALLY MEAN...

    "We call them creators.
    Why?
    Because they created us."
  8. Deuterium
    So, there is a mix of intelligent Panspermia, as well as true ambiogenesis occuring at all times somewhere throughout the Milky Way.

    Yes I think it's a good idea too, I guess my point was that it doesn't need to be a future evolution of us traveling back in time to create ourselves. If we can do it, some other species can do it; if we can create life and somehow guide it to becoming like ourselves, then so can any other life form. There is no need for us to be the originators of the human form to my mind. And as you say, if humans were created by an intelligent species (or our own time traveling ancestors) it doesn't automatically preclude life arising naturally elsewhere. The engineers might be an evolution of 'first' life, or maybe they were also created by another species who is an evolution of 'first' life, etc.


    Oh yes, I agree...backwards time travel is a deal breaker, and I will personally throw my popcorn at the screen if Prometheus invokes this concept in any way, shape, or form. 
  9. ChrisPachi
    So, there is a mix of intelligent Panspermia, as well as true ambiogenesis occuring at all times somewhere throughout the Milky Way.

    Yes I think it's a good idea too, I guess my point was that it doesn't need to be a future evolution of us traveling back in time to create ourselves. If we can do it, some other species can do it; if we can create life and somehow guide it to becoming like ourselves, then so can any other life form. There is no need for us to be the originators of the human form to my mind. And as you say, if humans were created by an intelligent species (or our own time traveling ancestors) it doesn't automatically preclude life arising naturally elsewhere. The engineers might be an evolution of 'first' life, or maybe they were also created by another species who is an evolution of 'first' life, etc.

    However great or godlike we might become one day, we will remain what we started as : somebody else's robots performing a programme whose finality cannot be apprehended.

    Bleak mate, bleak! But also kind of poetic... ;)
  10. Skylark Duquesne
    Mankind has evolved into a superior species, taking over as the new galactic engineers, and starting the cycle all over again. [..] This would be a 'get out of jail free' card for me because it then means that we, the viewer did not actually witness Earth's prehistory at all in this movie. Leaving the exact details of the creation of life intact.

    That is circular logic though. It allows for any other alien race to also attain the same status. If we can evolve to be galactic engineers then any other species can do the same, and there is no reason that precludes that species from starting life as we know it. It assumes that life began on earth and nowhere else.

    However great or godlike we might become one day, we will remain what we started as : somebody else's robots performing a programme whose finality cannot be apprehended.
    David is pissed because he was made superior to man and yet is perceived as a dummy by his makers, the human crew suffer a major blow to their ego when they realize their makers were less than gods (and hardly good-mannered according to Sir Ridley), and the Engineers...?

    The debate about whether we are alone or not in the universe is a moot one indeed. What matters is that intelligent life did appear somewhere in the cosmos, and that we are sure of. If the Milky Way is not teeming with life right now, it will be in a few billion years. Even if the many species that will populate it are all of human descent, they will necessarily be very diverse in morphology and culture due to their evolving in totally different environments - and their tinkering with their own genes.

    In Charles Sheffield 's "Sight of Proteus", men have become so apt at transforming themselves through genetical engineering that the term "human" has been totally redefined. Hopefully Prometheus will induce us to redefine the term "alien".

    If it does not, no big deal so long as it's a hell of a ghost train ride.
  11. mastermoon
    Prometheus pretty much distance itself from the two Alien vs Predator movies.


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    AVP movies did no justice for the series for having such a half assed origin of how Weyland Industries discovered the Alien.
  12. Deuterium

    Thats not quite what I was driving at.  ;)

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    I like it!  Nice idea, and thinking "outside the box".  Well done, 180924609. Although, you are almost certainly right...it ain't gonna happen.  Also, it still begs the question as to why the SJ/engineers look are basically human/humanoid.  You gotta' work that into your theory somehow.   ;)


    That is circular logic though. It allows for any other alien race to also attain the same status. If we can evolve to be galactic engineers then any other species can do the same, and there is no reason that precludes that species from starting life as we know it. It assumes that life began on earth and nowhere else.

    I am thinking, Chris, that 180924609's hypothesis might still work if the term "galactic" engineers is more a metaphor.  In other words, there still exists the possibility for Life arising through completely "natural" processes throughout our Galaxy (and the Universe, in general).  The previous SJ/engineers, and their inheritors (us, in 180924609's hypothesis) only control a local (small) area of the Galaxy...and terra-form and seed Life throughout their small neighborhood.  Possibly, there are other advanced civilizations doing the same thing in other parts of our Galaxy.  So, there is a mix of intelligent Panspermia, as well as true ambiogenesis occuring at all times somewhere throughout the Milky Way.

    Again, just expanding on 180924609's original idea, as a kind of fun thought experiment.

    What are your thoughts?
  13. ChrisPachi
    Mankind has evolved into a superior species, taking over as the new galactic engineers, and starting the cycle all over again. [..] This would be a 'get out of jail free' card for me because it then means that we, the viewer did not actually witness Earth's prehistory at all in this movie. Leaving the exact details of the creation of life intact.

    That is circular logic though. It allows for any other alien race to also attain the same status. If we can evolve to be galactic engineers then any other species can do the same, and there is no reason that precludes that species from starting life as we know it. It assumes that life began on earth and nowhere else.
  14. 180924609
    WARNING - Serious story spoiler THEORY! I mean it! Its a good one though  8).

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    That's a very appealing theory. Engineers as descendants of men.  Space and time travellers.
    That would bring a supremely paradoxical answer to the eternal question : who created us ?
    We created ourselves. Causality loop. Elsewhere, I suggested the giant stone head resembled Pearce. You seem to second that.
    There appears to be dissension among the survivors of that decadent race, judging from the beheaded jockey corpse and the fleeing Engineer. Maybe the conflict revolves around the way history - the past - should be tampered with.
    Then there would be something of Bradbury's A Sound of Thunder at the core of Prometheus.
    "There will be no home to go back to" possibly means that if the past is once again modified by the Engineers' action, a different species may become dominant on Earth. It does not necessarily entail Armaggedon, or a brutal xenocide, but a cancellation of the random chain of events that led to men.
    But then, if Engineers and Men are related, the first would commit suicide by making man extinct...
    Oh man, I 'm getting LOST in this (presumably) Lindelof stuff !

    Thats not quite what I was driving at.  ;)

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  15. Skylark Duquesne
    WARNING - Serious story spoiler THEORY! I mean it! Its a good one though  8).

    Spoiler (click to show/hide)

    That's a very appealing theory. Engineers as descendants of men.  Space and time travellers.
    That would bring a supremely paradoxical answer to the eternal question : who created us ?
    We created ourselves. Causality loop. Elsewhere, I suggested the giant stone head resembled Pearce. You seem to second that.
    There appears to be dissension among the survivors of that decadent race, judging from the beheaded jockey corpse and the fleeing Engineer. Maybe the conflict revolves around the way history - the past - should be tampered with.
    Then there would be something of Bradbury's A Sound of Thunder at the core of Prometheus.
    "There will be no home to go back to" possibly means that if the past is once again modified by the Engineers' action, a different species may become dominant on Earth. It does not necessarily entail Armaggedon, or a brutal xenocide, but a cancellation of the random chain of events that led to men.
    But then, if Engineers and Men are related, the first would commit suicide by making man extinct...
    Oh man, I 'm getting LOST in this (presumably) Lindelof stuff !
  16. NGR01
    He's like a thinking Michael Bay
    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.memegenerator.net%2Finstances%2F400x%2F20831872.jpg&hash=bf728028e94e2f8b06680b96aefa8067

    Sorry. :P

    Not dissin'
    Just being lucid ^^
    And i love Bay's work.

    So is this Daniel Twiss guy the one.......

    Some might like to not stumble upon your post and be spoiled :)
  17. NGR01
    Feel sorry for all of you science buffs but it was clear to me from the start that Scott did know shit about what he was talking science wise. He's a smart but mostly visual director. Remember what Spaith said about the script, Scott had a basic concept and visuals in his mind, stuff he wanted to shoot, the writer work was create scenes leading to these images.
    Scott is driven by the visual, not by the story, nor by the actors.
    He's like a thinking Michael Bay, he knows what is shitty script wise and choose top notch actors who know what they do.
    How many times we've heard his actors saying he lets you try stuff and such, it just means he give them the basics and let them do their work, since he choose the best he gets the best.
    He's one of the great visual storyteller of our time but he's no rocket scientist.
    Science was never the point of the ALIEN universe.
    It just feels/looks believable and real but it's clear it never was actually.
    Discuss these movie with a science angle is fun but pointless you'll only anger yourself more and more lol

    5 days to go ^^
  18. Deuterium
    Not sure what the Ass Flower does for dirty undies, but it sure makes for spotless tonsils. :D
    ;D

    Enters thread.

    Shits pants.

    Runs away.

    Regrets running away with shit pants.

    Maybe this is more appropriate

  19. Deuterium
    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fluhw6.jpg&hash=9f95f3353b79cdebebdc1a11b0de3342

    (stolen from GabusMaximums @ PF).

    LOL!   ;D


    Enters thread.

    Shits pants.

    Runs away.

    Regrets running away with shit pants.

    RagingDragon, come back brother!  The Ass-Flower cleans dirty undies.  Or is it the cause of dirty undies?  I can never remember which.  I expect Milburn and Fifield may know the answer.
  20. Deuterium

    I meant to suggest that it might be the intended story that there are elements of our genetic makeup that are of a manufactured alien biology (non-coding DNA was a bad example). Whatever, it's got star maps in cave paintings; it's all woo hoo anyway. :P

    Brilliant, Chris...you just inspired me, mate!

    (pic courtesy of Cvalda)

  21. ChrisPachi
    While noncoding DNA does not code for specific protein sequences, much of it still has biological functions, including indirect mediatory roles in protein synthesis, e.g. functional RNA.

    I meant to suggest that it might be the intended story that there are elements of our genetic makeup that are of a manufactured alien biology (non-coding DNA was a bad example). Whatever, it's got star maps in cave paintings; it's all woo hoo anyway. :P
  22. Deuterium
    Guys... the actor didn't say that his characters sacrifice created the building blocks for all life 4 billion years ago. He said that his sacrifice created the building blocks for new lifeforms.

    To add, from what I've read on the subject, Earth looked nothing like what the imagery suggests 4 billion years ago...

    just pointing it out...  :)

    I don't think it's billions of years for one, and we don't know what exactly happens in that scene. They could have just told the actor: ''hey, so you drink this for a ritual then you enter the water and disolve so your dna can be the beggining of some kind of life''. But that doesn't mean that act actually created all of biological life on earth or was the beginning of the human species. I doubt Ridley told this insignificant actor who was only on set for a few days, what exactly this scene means, or how it connects to the rest of the movie. This considering the secretive nature of the movie and the filming process.


  23. zuzuki

    That is a point, but what we are talking about is people going shit crazy in the forums and chatting shit about DNA and what not. I dont mind people analysing the film in anyway or giving their opinion, but when someone is silly enough to start   drivling on about how they dont think the film wont be any good because it not grounded in reality is pretty annoying and i doubt just for me

    Hfeldhaus,

    You do realize what the original topic of this post is about, right?  Specifically, the information conveyed in the interview with Daniel Twiss.  The discussion about evolutionary pathways, and the agent of inheritence (DNA) is kind of apropos...especially when someone with even a passing curiousity tries to reconcile:

    Ancient alien "engineers" (which look remarkably human) -->
    the seeding of biological Life -->
    billions of years of evolution -->
    resulting in humans (which look remarkably like the engineers).
    I don't think it's billions of years for one, and we don't know what exactly happens in that scene. They could have just told the actor: ''hey, so you drink this for a ritual then you enter the water and disolve so your dna can be the beggining of some kind of life''. But that doesn't mean that act actually created all of biological life on earth or was the beginning of the human species. I doubt Ridley told this insignificant actor who was only on set for a few days, what exactly this scene means, or how it connects to the rest of the movie. This considering the secretive nature of the movie and the filming process.
  24. hfeldhaus


    Hfeldhaus,

    You do realize what the original topic of this post is about, right?  Specifically, the information conveyed in the interview with Daniel Twiss.  The discussion about evolutionary pathways, and the agent of inheritence (DNA) is kind of apropos...especially when someone with even a passing curiousity tries to reconcile:

    Ancient alien "engineers" (which look remarkably human) -->
    the seeding of biological Life -->
    billions of years of evolution -->
    resulting in humans (which look remarkably like the engineers).

    to be honest i just think your putting the emphasis too much on science when genre conveys we look at it in terms of fiction. i may have worded it wrong but i understood the DNA speak i just thought it was being taken too seriously and was affecting the way in which people thought about the film.
  25. thecaffeinatedone
    Quote
    Ancient alien "engineers" (which look remarkably human) -->
    the seeding of biological Life -->
    billions of years of evolution -->
    resulting in humans (which look remarkably like the engineers).

    You know, now that you put it that way, the 'theory' presented in the movie doesn't just sound like pseudo-science but derp-science.  :-[
  26. Deuterium

    That is a point, but what we are talking about is people going shit crazy in the forums and chatting shit about DNA and what not. I dont mind people analysing the film in anyway or giving their opinion, but when someone is silly enough to start   drivling on about how they dont think the film wont be any good because it not grounded in reality is pretty annoying and i doubt just for me

    Hfeldhaus,

    You do realize what the original topic of this post is about, right?  Specifically, the information conveyed in the interview with Daniel Twiss.  The discussion about evolutionary pathways, and the agent of inheritence (DNA) is kind of apropos...especially when someone with even a passing curiousity tries to reconcile:

    Ancient alien "engineers" (which look remarkably human) -->
    the seeding of biological Life -->
    billions of years of evolution -->
    resulting in humans (which look remarkably like the engineers).
  27. Capovin
    I can't watch the Sagan clip for some reason, but in regards to this, when did Ridley say this? I've heard him talking about big ideas and questions, but I always assumed it was along the lines of Blade Runner and such like what it means to be human.

    In one of the featurettes he literally says something to the affect of "we're not just playing around with fiction, but what might actually be out there." I'll see if I can find it.

    Ah, basically Carl shows us an experiment simulating early Earth atmosphere and how the elementary particles may have come together form the building blocks for early life, and to address what you said about it being uncommon. he says "Look how easy it is to make globs of the stuff." "All the materials are common throughout the universe." "Similar reactions must have occured on a billion different worlds."

    Hmm I haven't seen that featurette. I actually completely buy what Carl Sagan's saying, but i was speaking more to the immense amount of coincidences that led to our existence, how unlikely it is for intelligent life such as us to exist I think Hawking said something to the effect of it being comparable to a Boeing 747 being reassembled in a tornado. It stands to reason that if we came from their DNA an evolved in a similar environment to theirs, we could eventually come to a species that looks somewhat like them.
  28. OpenMaw
    Am I the only one that can be pissed at the propagation of the Ancient Aliens ("seeding")myth as science, yet still be able to not give a shit if it's in a fictional story? :p I mean, I really don't care if it happens in the Alien Universe, just as long as it's not told shitty.

    That is a point, but what we are talking about is people going shit crazy in the forums and chatting shit about DNA and what not. I dont mind people analysing the film in anyway or giving their opinion, but when someone is silly enough to start   drivling on about how they dont think the film wont be any good because it not grounded in reality is pretty annoying and i doubt just for me


    It's not that they've used AA as a basis for their story. Not for me anyway. I'm sure for Deuterium even that is too old hat and so forth. But I can deal with that. It's when I start hearing the writer, and the director saying that they buy into it, and they're trying to spin it as being a reality, and the movie is basically just a way for them to spread the gospel. That reeks a bit of being pretentious, and it could harm the movie if it becomes overly intrusive. Which, I really hope it's not.
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