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I kind of love this.😂
I mean it could be, I don't really partake in trying to make sense of the entire film canon as I employ separate timelines
Therefore I figured the neomorphs would too have some element of it
Even so, the cut of the hand doesn't look it was chopped off with a knife-Be bleeding white no then?
It appears burnt or blown off, in this case the Neo's bite so therefore to me adds to reason David is in Walter's body
Then in the staple the scar scene the end of his arm is like a burnt stub
I can argue he did both of these things beforehand
I thought Walter's hand was bitten off by Neo, not burnt off. All David needed to do is to find a way to 'lose" his hand. Conveniently, there was a knife laying nearby ...
Kill Walter
Change clothes
Replicate cuts(Actually he had no need to as nobody saw Walter's face get cut except David thus furthering upload theory)
Acid burn hand off
Go back to lair, swallow embryos
Kiss Elizabeth Shaw goodbye
Catch up with the others
In 30 minutes sure, in 5 even at Bishop speed, no.
Despite what Ridley says about it that he cheated(To throw us off the scent perhaps?) the physical switch and all that entailed in the time from one scene to the next just doesn't make sense at all.
The upload theory carries well (Interesting that the new tv series is going to expand upon this idea)right through perhaps in theory to fellow Perfect Organism lover Ash
The film shows us Walter healing a smaller wound to his "skin" and makes a point of "there's been a few upgrades". I've always found the upload idea to be convoluted than him simply pretending.
That's fair and I've no answer to that outside of "stress of the situation." It's just the way I've always read how the film presented the situation.
The whole lead up to the fight has David trying to persuade Walter to turn.
The upload makes better sense
YES! The original run with all four is my favourite. JUDGE MORTIS!
They also did this movie, Split Second, where the monster is pretty much Judge Death in an Alien disguise (even kills people by ripping their hearts off):
https://www.dreadcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/SPLIT-SECOND.jpg
also stars Rutger Hauer. Defo recommended!
She should been paranoid after what happened and made tests to check if its Walter or not, especielly how her personality was shown earlier in the movie. For us audience it wouldnt work no matter, we would always suspect this would happen.
Hehehe! A person with great taste I see. That or The four dark judges or judge death lives are the best comics with judge death.
Daniels DOES see David with the new haircut - when he molests her. She should've been wary of the similarities between the two, but you can chalk that up to stress (I guess? Doesn't really do the trick for me, not at that point). Oram is of course the worst offender. Again assuming David as the old kind of Hammer Horror villain (a sorcerer-like character), the movie (which is supposedly a clever one that takes itself seriously) should've given the audience the tiniest bit of visual info about some sort of spore-gas or whatever that drugged the crew. Hell, David could've blown it into their faces - imagine him blowing a poison kiss to Oram, like the devil
also I'm talking to judge death on an Alien forum lemme go find some 2000AD comics, mmm NECROPOLIS!
https://youtu.be/iBNV1QqConw?t=2595
Gotta love when one find new info and ones mind just explodes and I wonder how I didnt thought of that was an option.
Really ? I thought it was quite popular fan theory
(Yes, I rewatched covenant to be sure I dont remember it wrong xD )
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David:
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Walter:
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But yeah you are right he do it rather quick and one would suspect it being weird and one should be worried about but I noticed:
Its only Oram and Daniels who see him with the new haircut, rest of the crew dont see him after the first encounter.
But even then him with long hair and being same design as Walter they should had started to be worried those two might be hard to keep track of who is who.
Oram is as he is and fails to realise things and as we saw him: naively believing David, most likely thinking he is just like Walter and no need to be worried and trusting what David is saying.
Daniel did raise some concern and sensing something is wrong and was worried and tells Walter, who says: I will have a talk with my brother.
Rest of covenant crew had no idea.
Oh holy damn! You are genious, I havent even thought about that, nor have I seen any reviewers or people here coming up with that idea that David just uploaded himself into Walters body, that explains the mouth injury, arm, and the hair. Everyone I know so far has been like: David defeated Walter, then took his clothes, fixed the hair and made self injury to the mouth to look like Walter.
Well spotted and great idea, love it.
He literally cut his hair to pull the stunt and he does so relatively early, so that doesn't work
the walter switch is easier: he uploaded himself into walter's body
I dont remember David trying to mimmic Walther at all with the crew until at the end when David is disapointed in Walther and takes him out and then what he tried to do with Daniels and kissing before Walther comes back and Walther was beating David as she left.
How David could get his haircut and same color within seconds is another question and removing one of his arms.
Great!
justsayin....
That you will!
I'm thinking of doing something Prometheus related that's not me going secular fanboy over it but we'll see how it's gonna go
alot
of course, a lot of people can still do whatever and select the canon continuity for their own viewing
for example, Alien DC contradicts Aliens, therefore, it can be a logical argument to put it into its own continuity
examples of possible continuity branching (think Halloween) excluding AvP:
ALIEN DC - PROMETHEUS - COVENANT (linked by the use of spores; eggmorphing was never a thing)
ALIEN TC - ALIENS TC/DC - ALIEN3 TC/AC - RESURRECTION TC/DC - PROMETHEUS - COVENANT (PROMETHEUS and COVENANT gain stylistical points if RESURRECTION is included in the equation)
my personal canon timelines for the films depends on my mood but generally here goes
ALIEN DC - (THE DESTROYING ANGELS) (neither makes a single reference to a Queen caste)
ALIEN TC - ALIENS TC/DC (ALIEN DC can be conciliated with ALIENS in a vacuum, but not considering author intentions)
ALIEN TC - ALIENS TC/DC - ALIEN3 TC/DC (Ripley arc)
ALIEN: RESURRECTION TC/DC (French coda in an alternate universe where everything is Jeunet)
ALIEN TC - ALIENS TC/DC - ALIEN3 TC/DC - ALIEN: RESURRECTION (Ripley arc + French coda in an unrecognizable future wrapping Ripley's arc in a most unusual way)
The actions of Millburn (and Fifield) are clearly set up to be interpreted as comic relief but I think their role goes beyond that. And if you look closely at Holloway's presentation, you will see that it's full of similar silly mistakes and therefore you could just as easily say "well, he's not an archaeologist". Ditto Shaw.
Are they all comic relief or is something else going on?
I am not a canon denier despite sharing my nerdy fetishes. You're right, and unless someone makes a serious retcon, David is the creator of the Alien and the Engineers are the Space Jockeys. That being said, Covenant is a nice gothic sci-fi movie and the Fassbender vs. Fassbender scene reminds me of the Jinsei chamber from Mortal Kombat.
She was digusted by science in the end - way too much politicising, infighting, sabotage and you get to produce reports that allow the goverment to say "Look! We've done something about Problem X" and then implement or provide funding for exactly none of the recommendations. She moved to teaching, and then to farming/ecology/education.
the guy's comic relief clearly, but a misplaced one....
I will concede if you convince me Oram's death is somehow justifiable within the context of the movie
or why no one questions why david is mimicking (and then maaaaybe replacing) walter
(genuine question, not an attack; I don't watch Covenant often)
Your wife has presented us with a paradox. How can take much notice of her opinion that a lot of scientists aren't very bright, given that she herself is a scientist and therefore possibly not very .......
However, fully agree with your comments on quarantine procedures.
I will say that when I watched this with my wife, who is a microbiologist and ecologist among other things, I was surprised she didn't mention Milburn's rather naive approach to the Hammerpede, and when I quizzed her about it she said "No... that's about right. A lot of people in the sciences aren't actually that sensible or bright."
Here's a joke: "What do you call someone who got 51% on their medicine exam?"
Answer: "Doctor"
OTOH, quarantine procedures for space-farers would almost certainly be breathtakingly high. In Covenant, and Prothemetheus both, taking off your helmet is not just stupid, it's likely contravening SOP. It's probably bad enough people carrying basic and exotic Terran infections from place to place (as the waves of flu, SARS and other exotics like Ebola and Monkeypox demonstrate!), let alone stopping off on an alien planet with an actual functioning ecology and picking up almost anything.
Ripley knew about quarantine procedure, and was not only sabotaged by the company in the form of Ash, but attacked for her by-the-book approach by her crew-mates who should have known better. I forget what Parker and Brett's reaction was, but Dallas and Lambert should have realised they weren't getting back on-board and their attitude otherwise suggests a certain lets-not-and-say-we-did approach to quarantine among truckers-in-space.
I see some people complain that the people in covenant are dumb and why they dont wear helmets or do science etc, why would they? They are colonist and normal workers, some are military to protect the others, none of them from what the movie shows are scientists. So to me its okay that they dont act too smart or talk like scientists would, more like the crew of nostromo, normal people traveling in space.
And we all know how dumb people can be and do stupid decisions, aka look at covid years how people fail to follow simpliest of tasks or rules....