We have just uploaded the 111th episode of the Alien vs. Predator Galaxy Podcast (right-click and save as to download)! Corporal Hicks and RidgeTop are once again joined by contributing writer and community guest Voodoo Magic, and regular host Xenomorphine is making his big video debut, as we reconvene to talk about Predators as the third Predator film reaches the big 1-0!
We discuss how our opinions changed from the pre-release of Predators to a post-The Predator world, the controversy around the homages within the Predators, the strength of the cast and characters, Super Predators vs. Berserker Predators, and plenty more!
As we usually do, we do tangent off to talk about comic covers. And just to clarify for the post, it was indeed Phil Norwood that created the wrap-around cover art Xenomorphine was using as a background, and Den Beauvais was responsible for the cover art for Aliens vs. Predator: Booty.
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Ahhhh! Sokath, his eyes uncovered. I couldn't see the squid for all the tentacles. Well played sir, well played.
When I was Chestburser I had something like this: "Watch out! I'm gonna bite off your feet!"
Haha, Thanks Krad, my humor + the text format often lead to misunderstandings of the usual absurdity of my tone, plus it doesn't help that my standard lexicon is mainly composed of pop culture movie quotations and sometimes horribly paraphrased ones at that. Btw where's your caption quote about the dome from? It feels familiar but I can't place it. For some reason all I can hear in my head is "Stop eating my Sesame Cake!"
I get it
::smh::
I'm sorry, the correct response was...
This is not about Money! This is about Powaa!
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Fair enough, mon!
I hear you Huggs, (See: The Fountain, Thor Ragnarok, and Mad Max: Fury Road). And thank you, I never knew this had a specific name! It was really more of a set-up for Voodoo, a funny little thematic quotation-bait that I'm hoping he'll take...
/\ This is a very serious question VooDoo, and one I think you fully know the answer to...
Umm...
Shape of the cross not spelled out
"The word translated "cross" in the New Testament is the Greek word stauros, which notes, primarily, an upright pale or stake.
You're very passionate my friend but I think neither of us are in a position to guarantee anything in this subject my friend.
Torture is the goal.
My latter point is, what are the specific implications of saying this guy has been figuratively "crucified"? What for? Terror tactics? To scare the shit out of their enemies? Is it about... money?
Umm....
Roman Forms of Crucifixion
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Historians of the time of Christ record that Roman crucifixions were carried out on simple stakes in the ground, stakes with crossbeams in various positions and even on tree trunks.
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Umm.....
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Umm.....
cru·ci·fy | \ ˈkrü-sə-ˌfī \
crucified; crucifying
Definition of crucify
(transitive verb)
1: to put to death by nailing or binding the wrists or hands and feet to a cross
2: to destroy the power of : MORTIFY crucify the flesh
3: to treat cruelly : TORMENT
Also, great podcast, guys. Love getting to nerd it up with y'all.
The rule of cool says so.
So, in that same vein and with similarly humorous outrage because it drives me figuratively insane every time it's said or whenever I see it in the motion comic prequel, but... the classic Yaut is Not Crucified. The one and Only requirement for crucifixion is fixation to a cruciform, cruci = crux = cross form, there is no cross involved here in any way shape or form. The classic Pred has been tied to a stake, or a weird ceremonial monolith, but whatever you want to call it, the one thing it Is Not is a Cross. You can't be Crucified without a Cross.
This will never be corrected, I'm aware it will never be corrected. I will simply have to live in the perpetually maddening reality where this evisceration of the English language exists and will ever torture me, and as an American I am well versed in the torture of the English language. But hopefully, I will no longer be alone, and others will now be likewise plagued with this cursed knowledge.
Who knew the next predator film would be such a travesty? I do like fugitive but that pretty much it for the entire film.
-edit- after listening to this podcast and all this talk about it I watched Predators again. This would be the second time since The Predator came out. I think I again enjoyed it even more than before, maybe because I tried to go into it with a fresh perspective after the podcast. Alot of my issues just bother me less and less as time goes on.
One of my favorite parts is when Royce uses Edwin as a trap.
I'm a huge proponent of this film and have been leading up to it's initial July, 2010 release.
I think the biggest shame in this podcast was that PREDATORS, so often, had too be compared and contrasted with THE PREDATOR. Which I feel is unfair to PREDATORS.
While PREDATORS isn't flawless, it does more right than it does wrong, imho. I just wish that sequel would've been made...
So maybe it's time for you to appear on the show ?
He's posting from the comments side I believe, but still...
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My man...
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Nice to see you Xenomorphine. You've been gone for ages.
And yeah one of the things I've always loved about the film is how much it introduces without going into detail about. As you said, "the Space Jockey effect". I've always felt that the lore side of Predator works best with a lot of mystery and questions, so I really liked that we basically got no explanations for any of the new stuff that we saw. Are these new Predators a different clan? A sub-species? Genetically modified? Why are they feuding with the classic ones? Did the drill belong to the Predators, or some other alien race? Who knows! It does what the first two films did in that it makes these small but significant contributions to the lore but doesn't over-explain them, allowing us fans to ponder all sorts of possibilities, and that's great.
I thought KNB did outstanding work as well, especially considering the time constraints they were under. I loved the look of the Super/Berserker Preds, with masks and without, and classic/Crucified looked awesome, as did the Hell Hounds and River Ghost.
And on the topic of "Super Predators", it definitely always felt to me like some people held that name against this film in a "nu-uh, the classics are the best! How dare they and act like these new ones are better! There's nothing super about them at all!" kind of way. I stayed away from any pre-release leaks or spoilers, but it's definitely an attitude I've noticed in the years since.
Either way I've always liked the film. The first two will always be sort of in a league of their own as far as style and nostalgia and all that are concerned, but I've always felt that Predators was a worthy sequel and it's always been something I've been glad exists. It's a shame indeed that we never got a direct sequel.
It's true, feels so weird that it was 10 years ago...AH! Time flies so, so fast. Maybe they got enough survivors now to have a colony going.
The same. I thought Royce was a good character; no real complaints from me. I really enjoyed Predators and was generally pleased with how it came out and, of course, sad that it hasn't gotten a sequel. So much potential there for world exploration and building. I thought the series was in good hands at that point
Thank you guys for the thoughtful podcast. And I also appreciate RidgeTop's throw pillows.
Why come to a discussion board at all?
I've just realised that there's Voodoo sitting in right corner
i agree with pretty much the whole gang; i do enjoy predators a good bit, and i put it side by side with predator 2 in terms of its place in the series
Where you lost me is your statement of bad editing resulted in a "short but fun ride" One can argue that the editing of the presumptive gore in that scene ultimately leaves viewers perplexed in regards to where Keyes' head ended up, i.e. badly edited, but I don't believe cutting gore in the film would equate enough to a shorter feeling film, other than technically. And remember, the smart-disc Keyes death scene was in slow motion to boot!
Now keeping Danny's funeral scene intact, for instance? That would have elongated the experience.
love Predators - seen it so many times... and like Xenomorphine says, it has something that sets it apart.. I can watch it anytime. For some reason also, I'm really fine if we never hear again from Royce/Isabella, don't know why - I should be demanding to know their fate, but dunno why it just doesnt bother me.. just a great, self containd story. I'd be happy if future pred films were in this 'format' - and so should be disney - as relatively cheap..?
Communication over.
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What scene or scenes were badly edited down?
The tribe at the end was a nice bonus, having them scattered during P2 might have been distracting.
It was the 90's
No thank you.
P2 could have been made better if we saw the other lost tribe members hunting around the city and if it had not been so baddly edited down to a short but fun ride that also left some questions.
Also the shot of city hunter saying "ugly motherf**ker" still look's cartoonish under the blue light and such a close up.
I also would have liked to have seen city hunter getting high on blow before mass murdering the subway car.
Honeslty, never thought about P2 that way until now. That is what I like about these podcasts. You learn other perspectives and takes, which is quite great if you ask me.
Having said that, I also liked Xenomorphine's take on Adrien Brody's Royce as a solid character who performs through his body language, like Kate Beckinsale's Selene (Underworld).
Lol no offense meant to Xenomorphine, just find it so funny. The images we create for in our heads for people when we hear their voices and nothing else.
In terms of quality I still rate P2 an 8/10 but I find it more enjoyable than Predators if that makes sense. I find the suit acting in Predators to be very awkward looking, especially when trying to fight with that single blade. There are great moments in P2 that P's can't touch. The ending on the predator ship in P2 is probably my favorite scene from the entire franchise. The original is still top dawg though imo.
I also disagree with comparing P2 to Seagal film, they share almost nothing in common in terms of acting, story, tone, or fight choreography or even overall quality. I don't see the connection other than perhaps drugs and Gary Busey
Oh, no complaints whatsoever ! Just good to know it wasn't forgotten
That's ... surprising, to say the least
I totally forgot to mention Dan Zimmerman. Predators and AvPR had actually been edited by same guy.
I actually share Corp. Hicks enthusiasm for this film, I think it's a hugely great addition to the Predator series and for me, far and away the best sequel. I agree with, I believe it was Xenomorphine's take, that P2 is something of a Steven Seagal 90's-type movie, save for a few scenes, it's not that great...
Predators has a bombastic start (I love the title card) and like all the gents in the pod agree, never lets up from start to finish (aside from Nolan's introduction where I find it does catch a breath, and maybe could have done with tweaks). The cast is brilliant. Mr. Black in my opinion is the best Predator after Jungle Hunter. There is a lot to love!
You know, if there was a bit more financial clout behind this film, it really could have been elevated. Nimrod clearly spent the money perfectly. Imagine what he could have achieved with more?
I also liked the but where you guys lauded KNB, the creature guys. After Stan Winston, they've done the best job in the series by quite a distance.
I would give Predators a really solid 7/10. Very good entry.
Great pod once again!
I was a little surprised by it too. I remember all the IMDB morons after the film came out, but re-reading all the responses to the news articles, there was a lot of it. Was embarressing.
Wow. What a compliment.
You're allowed to be wrong occasionally.
That's a fair score. How does that compare against Predator 2? What would you give that?
It's coming. I've only got so much time in a day, so much will in a week, and only so much neglect the GF will take.
I've really enjoyed this podcast. Nice job.
That said, I found it interesting when RidgeTop brought up the comparison between dogs & wolves as an analog equivalent between Super Predators & Predators. The former really look more raw, bestial and primitive.
I also agree with Voodoo's criticism on the Hell-Hound design; in particular the point related to evolution.
The feeling is mutual
Certainly agree about Brody. Was a lot more convincing than I expected him to be in that sort of role.
Loved the podcast fellas!
Weird I agreed with Ridgetop over AP more in this one. Usually its the other way around lol. Thank you guys!
I was pretty meh on this film upon release. I also felt the homages were too much and the effects/suit work didn't quite work for me.
However I have always loved Brody in this flick, he was the best part for me. Also having recently gone back and watched it I found it much more enjoyable than I remember. Upon release I gave it a 6/10 but now I would also say 8/10.
THE APOCALYPSE COMETH!
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