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“All That We See Or Seem Is But A Dream Within A Dream” – Walter Hill Talks His Alien 5 Treatment

Last week Sigourney Weaver dropped the news that long time Alien producer and co-writer Walter Hill had sent her a 50-page treatment that he had completed for Alien 5! Because Hill hasn’t actually been involved with any of the Alien films since Alien 3, the news of his treatment came as something of a shock.

Though she was the one to tell everyone about this new treatment, Sigourney actually seemed unsure of the prospect of returning to reprise Ripley, telling Empire that “Ridley has gone in a different direction. Maybe Ripley has done her bit. She deserves a rest.”

Now that news has been getting around of Hill’s Alien 5 treatment, Brandywine and Hill have reached out to SyFy Wire, suggesting that perhaps Sigourney is being a little on the modest side!

“Sigourney, as she has from the very beginning, is being too modest about her proven ability to pull off the idea — which is to tell a story that scares the pants off your date, kicks the ass of a new Xenomorph, and conducts a meditation on both the universe of the Alien franchise and the destiny of the character of Lt. Ellen Ripley.”

 "All That We See Or Seem Is But A Dream Within A Dream" - Walter Hill Talks His Alien 5 Treatment

And though details on the actual direction of Walter Hill’s treatment are still unknown, Brandywine did provide SyFy Wire a quick image of the treatment. Alien vs. Predator Galaxy has also been provided with a copy of the title page that features a credit to not only Walter Hill, but also David Giler. This latest draft is actually from March of 2020, showing that work on the treatment didn’t end a year and a half ago after Weaver first received the treatment.

 "All That We See Or Seem Is But A Dream Within A Dream" - Walter Hill Talks His Alien 5 Treatment

And in true Walter Hill and David Giler fashion, the title page features 2 quotes. One from Edgar Allan Poe regarding dreams, and another from William Tecumseh Sherman that simply states “war is hell.”

Dreams are also mentioned at the top of the title page, with a play on the famous Alien tagline, that “in space no one can you dream.” Given the prevalence of dreams on the title-page alone, is it this an indication that Hill and Giler’s Alien 5 would have written away Alien 3 and Resurrection as cryosleep dreams?

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  1. Nukiemorph
    Agreed. It's just nice to get clarification.

    When we first heard about this pitch, I got the impression that Sigourney shot it down because she wasn't impressed with it. That may have happened as well, but it's good to know where Disney stands on the issue.
  2. Nightmare Asylum
    The relevant excerpt from the article:

    Quote48 Hours was the only film of yours you ever directed a sequel to, but you produced all the Aliens films, one of the most important sci-fi franchises of all time. Sigourney Weaver is going to be in Venice this year too [with Paul Schrader film Master Gardener]. Any chance of you two getting together and planning a return of Ripley for Aliens 5?

    We took a shot at that a couple of years back with Sigourney. But that was back when Aliens was still at Fox. The people at Disney, who now control Aliens, have expressed no interest in going down that road. I had an idea for a good story with the Ripley character and Sigourney. But I do hope to see her in Venice.

    Interesting. Would be curious to see what was in this treatment/draft, for sure. I do agree with moving on from Ripley, though.

    What's also interesting is that his pitch predates Disney; I thought it came afterwards, but after going back and looking back at the timeframe Sigourney was talking about in the first post of this thread, yeah, this definitely would have been written before the acquisition fully went through. I guess Fox must have really been fielding Alien pitches before their acquisition, huh? This, Blomkamp's, Hawley's, and even Fede's pitch to Ridley Scott goes back to the Fox days.
  3. maddriver
    I for one always imagined that if there was going to be another way to get xeno specimens after Resurrection, it would be some spaceship finding a cocoon form of the queen from Aliens drifting in some remote region of space. The cocoon form (protective shell) could be a way for the queen to survive the vacuum of space, while also being in some state of hibernation. They take it aboard without first knowing what it is and bring it to a populated space (science) station.

    Then somehow the queen is "unfrozen" and comes back to her original form and starts laying eggs and wreaking havok. Due to Ripley8's proximity and her telepathic abilities, she is dragged closer and closer to the location of the queen. Eventually her mind becomes twisted by the queen's presence and she might or might not turn on the human inhabitants, while also fighting the queen for supremacy.

    By the end of it the queen is defeated, but Ripley8 is transformed, both physically and psihically and her former human allies have no choice but to bring her down, in a last ditch effort to rid the galaxy of the xeno presence forever. So you could then say that Ripley lived long enough to become the villain.
  4. judge death
    Well the xenos are wiped out as they died on auriga so dunno how she would be able to talk to aliens.... But Im sure she will mutate as her alien dna do its thing, maybe she is the villlain and starts a new line of xenomorphs and she is their queen or something? :P
  5. Nightmare Asylum
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2020, 02:33:54 AM
    Quote from: Gentleman Death on Sep 13, 2020, 08:45:08 PM
    Didn't Cameron say he was trying to work on something aliens related a year or so ago?

    I say let the Cameron do his thing.  If he actually cares enough about the series to want to participate in some way, I cannot see any downside to that.  It can only be a box full of good inside.

    I don't know, most people seem to have not liked it when he returned to Terminator. :D
  6. T Dog
    Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 13, 2020, 08:01:31 PM
    I very much doubt Scott would be interested in Ripley 8 as a character.


    BUT, with good writing a Ripley 8 vs David showdown would be fascinating.


    Even though I would expect a V that tied in both the prequels and the weakest of the old movies together to be fairly bad without some hallelujah writing in it. 

    Could all be a pitch to gauge fan interest by Disney.  Undercover marketing.

    Having Fassbender and Weaver go toe to toe in some acting sparring would be amazing.

    Ultimately my ending would have them ruling in "hell" together. Both of them naked, wrapped up in one another, sitting in a Giger-esque throne room.
  7. Kimarhi
    I very much doubt Scott would be interested in Ripley 8 as a character.


    BUT, with good writing a Ripley 8 vs David showdown would be fascinating.


    Even though I would expect a V that tied in both the prequels and the weakest of the old movies together to be fairly bad without some hallelujah writing in it. 

    Could all be a pitch to gauge fan interest by Disney.  Undercover marketing.
  8. Perfect-Organism
    Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 13, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
    Quote from: T Dog on Sep 13, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
    My pitch: Make a sequel to Covenant and a sequel to Resurrection, in the same movie.

    Ripley 8 travels to a planet where David 8 has been doing his experiments for centuries (or whatever amount of time is necessary for the timelines to converge).

    Good point. It will also save us from the forced path of the "Alien prequel".

    There is no way to avoid the Golden Path.
  9. T Dog
    Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 13, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
    Quote from: T Dog on Sep 13, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
    My pitch: Make a sequel to Covenant and a sequel to Resurrection, in the same movie.

    Ripley 8 travels to a planet where David 8 has been doing his experiments for centuries (or whatever amount of time is necessary for the timelines to converge).

    Good point. It will also save us from the forced path of the "Alien prequel".

    To further what I said. David 8 is on "Planet Giger". Bring back the Space Jockeys. Convey that the Engineers stole their tech.
    Have a circle of creator beings (one of which is the Jockey) who are styled differently but with a similar aesthetic like the Cenobites are in Hellraiser.

    End both series in ONE movie.
  10. T Dog
    My pitch: Make a sequel to Covenant and a sequel to Resurrection, in the same movie.

    Ripley 8 travels to a planet where David 8 has been doing his experiments for centuries (or whatever amount of time is necessary for the timelines to converge).
  11. TheBATMAN
    Perhaps this is what Ridley was hinting at when he said the next movoe possibly wouldnt follow Prometheus and Covenant? Hill and Giler will still have some clout over the franchise if they choose to get more actively involved im sure.
  12. Nightmare Asylum
    Yeah, definitely looks like he just stumbled upon the Brandywine page and, in light of Ridley making some comments in that recent RBW interview about another Alien film, mistakenly assumed they were the same project.
  13. The Eighth Passenger
    Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 13, 2020, 02:07:43 PM
    But now there's a small part of me almost wondering if Ridley has some alternate Aliens sequel written by Walter Hill that also uses continues David's up his sleeve. :D

    He mentions Scott in the comments:

    Quote from: Theo PriestleyNo, this is Scott's movie. Neill's was canned a long time ago.

    https://twitter.com/tprstly/status/1305129784259862528

    Also some Alien Nostromo art on his page although this is clearly labelled "fan art" so I don't think it has any connection:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhyseJWX0AA8etl?format=jpg&name=large

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhysfpbXgAE_P2M?format=jpg&name=large

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhysiGuXYAARD8C?format=jpg&name=large

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhysjdWXYAESZJb?format=jpg&name=large
  14. Nightmare Asylum
    Wait what now???

    I very much doubt any of this, and I'm sure it is all conjecture on that guy's part. I don't know who he is and he doesn't seem to have any relation to any of this. But now there's a small part of me almost wondering if Ridley has some alternate Aliens sequel written by Walter Hill that also uses continues David's up his sleeve. :D
  15. Perfect-Organism
    Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
    Aliens: Colonial Marines is hardly indicative of the best way to reboot the franchise. :D


    I much prefer the idea that the Derelict was lost when the atmosphere processor exploded. Ripley and company wouldn't have just left LV-426 if it was out of range of the explosion. And, assuming Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection still count in this hypothetical reboot, Weyland-Yutani (and, eventually, the USM) putting all their stock in Ripley's embryo would be pretty silly if they know that there's just a whole stash of eggs on LV-426.

    And yet it is even more silly that they would build a station like this so close to the derelict.   ::)


    Quote from: Evanus on Jun 27, 2020, 09:13:19 PM
    Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 08:32:06 PM
    More Aliens post-Alien 3 are fine by me, so long as, by the end of the story, WY has no way left to obtain them. I would personally like to see WY's continued efforts to get their hands on a specimen after the third film ultimately factor in to them shutting down operations entirely, thus opening the door for the USM to swoop in and have no choice but to resort to using Ripley's DNA now that that technology is there.
    Yeah, this works for me. As long as Ripley's sacrifice is still meaningful. So I hope they don't ignore Alien 3 by still having WY obtain lots of Xenos and all that.

    If we accept the Cold Forge as canon, then the company clearly has found the aliens elsewhere...
  16. D. Compton Ambrose
    Like a user said earlier, could easily pick up where David left off and showcase the method in which the xenomorphs become "biomechanized," so-to-speak, and add more context to the corporation's motives for wanting to "weaponize" them.
  17. Evanus
    Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 27, 2020, 08:32:06 PM
    More Aliens post-Alien 3 are fine by me, so long as, by the end of the story, WY has no way left to obtain them. I would personally like to see WY's continued efforts to get their hands on a specimen after the third film ultimately factor in to them shutting down operations entirely, thus opening the door for the USM to swoop in and have no choice but to resort to using Ripley's DNA now that that technology is there.
    Yeah, this works for me. As long as Ripley's sacrifice is still meaningful. So I hope they don't ignore Alien 3 by still having WY obtain lots of Xenos and all that.
  18. Nightmare Asylum
    More Aliens post-Alien 3 are fine by me, so long as, by the end of the story, WY has no way left to obtain them. I would personally like to see WY's continued efforts to get their hands on a specimen after the third film ultimately factor in to them shutting down operations entirely, thus opening the door for the USM to swoop in and have no choice but to resort to using Ripley's DNA now that that technology is there.
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