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“All That We See Or Seem Is But A Dream Within A Dream” – Walter Hill Talks His Alien 5 Treatment

Last week Sigourney Weaver dropped the news that long time Alien producer and co-writer Walter Hill had sent her a 50-page treatment that he had completed for Alien 5! Because Hill hasn’t actually been involved with any of the Alien films since Alien 3, the news of his treatment came as something of a shock.

Though she was the one to tell everyone about this new treatment, Sigourney actually seemed unsure of the prospect of returning to reprise Ripley, telling Empire that “Ridley has gone in a different direction. Maybe Ripley has done her bit. She deserves a rest.”

Now that news has been getting around of Hill’s Alien 5 treatment, Brandywine and Hill have reached out to SyFy Wire, suggesting that perhaps Sigourney is being a little on the modest side!

“Sigourney, as she has from the very beginning, is being too modest about her proven ability to pull off the idea — which is to tell a story that scares the pants off your date, kicks the ass of a new Xenomorph, and conducts a meditation on both the universe of the Alien franchise and the destiny of the character of Lt. Ellen Ripley.”

And though details on the actual direction of Walter Hill’s treatment are still unknown, Brandywine did provide SyFy Wire a quick image of the treatment. Alien vs. Predator Galaxy has also been provided with a copy of the title page that features a credit to not only Walter Hill, but also David Giler. This latest draft is actually from March of 2020, showing that work on the treatment didn’t end a year and a half ago after Weaver first received the treatment.

And in true Walter Hill and David Giler fashion, the title page features 2 quotes. One from Edgar Allan Poe regarding dreams, and another from William Tecumseh Sherman that simply states “war is hell.”

Dreams are also mentioned at the top of the title page, with a play on the famous Alien tagline, that “in space no one can you dream.” Given the prevalence of dreams on the title-page alone, is it this an indication that Hill and Giler’s Alien 5 would have written away Alien 3 and Resurrection as cryosleep dreams?

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  1. Perfect-Organism
    Aliens: Colonial Marines is hardly indicative of the best way to reboot the franchise. :D


    I much prefer the idea that the Derelict was lost when the atmosphere processor exploded. Ripley and company wouldn't have just left LV-426 if it was out of range of the explosion. And, assuming Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection still count in this hypothetical reboot, Weyland-Yutani (and, eventually, the USM) putting all their stock in Ripley's embryo would be pretty silly if they know that there's just a whole stash of eggs on LV-426.

    And yet it is even more silly that they would build a station like this so close to the derelict.   ::)

    More Aliens post-Alien 3 are fine by me, so long as, by the end of the story, WY has no way left to obtain them. I would personally like to see WY's continued efforts to get their hands on a specimen after the third film ultimately factor in to them shutting down operations entirely, thus opening the door for the USM to swoop in and have no choice but to resort to using Ripley's DNA now that that technology is there.
    Yeah, this works for me. As long as Ripley's sacrifice is still meaningful. So I hope they don't ignore Alien 3 by still having WY obtain lots of Xenos and all that.

    If we accept the Cold Forge as canon, then the company clearly has found the aliens elsewhere...
  2. D. Compton Ambrose
    Like a user said earlier, could easily pick up where David left off and showcase the method in which the xenomorphs become "biomechanized," so-to-speak, and add more context to the corporation's motives for wanting to "weaponize" them.
  3. Evanus
    More Aliens post-Alien 3 are fine by me, so long as, by the end of the story, WY has no way left to obtain them. I would personally like to see WY's continued efforts to get their hands on a specimen after the third film ultimately factor in to them shutting down operations entirely, thus opening the door for the USM to swoop in and have no choice but to resort to using Ripley's DNA now that that technology is there.
    Yeah, this works for me. As long as Ripley's sacrifice is still meaningful. So I hope they don't ignore Alien 3 by still having WY obtain lots of Xenos and all that.
  4. Nightmare Asylum
    More Aliens post-Alien 3 are fine by me, so long as, by the end of the story, WY has no way left to obtain them. I would personally like to see WY's continued efforts to get their hands on a specimen after the third film ultimately factor in to them shutting down operations entirely, thus opening the door for the USM to swoop in and have no choice but to resort to using Ripley's DNA now that that technology is there.
  5. Evanus
    True, as for the Planet 4 eggs I don't think they would be viable for much longer, assuming the original eggs needed the mist to be preserved.

    I feel like Ripley's sacrifice works much better with no Xenos being out there anymore. They can do anything between Alien and Aliens though
  6. Nightmare Asylum
    At the moment, the LV-223 facility, David's specimen collection on Planet 4, and the Covenant are all viable sources floating out there to obtain Alien (or, in LV-223's case, pre-Alien) specimens. And with David having escaped on the Covenant, they can literally be anywhere in the galaxy now.
  7. Nightmare Asylum
    Aliens: Colonial Marines is hardly indicative of the best way to reboot the franchise. :D


    I much prefer the idea that the Derelict was lost when the atmosphere processor exploded. Ripley and company wouldn't have just left LV-426 if it was out of range of the explosion. And, assuming Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection still count in this hypothetical reboot, Weyland-Yutani (and, eventually, the USM) putting all their stock in Ripley's embryo would be pretty silly if they know that there's just a whole stash of eggs on LV-426.
  8. BigCountry
    send the marines or another crew to lv426 , revel that the egg shit is still there .Thats a way to reboot the franchise .Been saying this for years . they did it in Alien : CM
  9. SM
    They were recorded from her dreams then played back - according to Ridley and not even properly established in the film.

    What would be the purpose of creating two detailed sets of events that never happened?
  10. CainsSon
    I'd take something like Sigourney playing an older 'Ripley' who is actually secretly an android used to fake the LV-426 mission returning and saying everything is hunky dory to investors and that they should send more colonists to check out a specific grid reference.
    That's actually not a bad idea. Very "Aliens: Earth War" of you.

    In truth, Prometheus opened the door to the “it was a dream” path when it introduced the implanted hyperspace dreams technology that David “watched.” Very easy to take that and add to it that David or WY is keeping Ripley alive in hypersleep while implanting dreams and maybe using her body or something. The film is a bit unclear but in the 'making of' they do explain that these dreams David is watching are implanted as a way to keep the brain functioning or something like that. It always stuck out like a sore thumb to me, and suddenly I am wondering if the studio didn't ask for that to be included so they could open the door for an option like this. I personally don’t like the idea of any sequels being discounted as dreams, but the technology exists in Prometheus, to easily elaborate upon.

    https://scifiinterfaces.com/2012/11/21/neuro-visor/
  11. Necronomicon II
    Lol complaints about the xeno being terrestrialized now  :D It always was just by virtue of being  parasites compatible with earth mammals, they're still wholly Other/shoggoths at their root, just sexualised.  ;D 8)

    As for all this, yeah I don't know, I much prefer something really weird, provocative and bold, or have a showdown with Ripz and David, that'd be neat. ;D
  12. irn
    I'd love there to be a follow up to Alien 3, but it doesn't need Ripley. Her story arc ended perfectly in 3. Resurrection is set so far in the future that it doesn't matter all that much what you do before it. It was like an offshoot film that you could take it or leave from canon as you saw fit. Resurrection didn't affect anything really, and I don't think it needs a sequel.

    I'd take something like Sigourney playing an older 'Ripley' who is actually secretly an android used to fake the LV-426 mission returning and saying everything is hunky dory to investors and that they should send more colonists to check out a specific grid reference... Probably a bit convoluted but I'll fight any attempts to retcon Alien 3 from "Alien films MUST HAVE Ripley" fanatics!
  13. Nightmare Asylum
    Some shots he looked great to me. Others, not so much. I think the biggest disconnect to me, as of the time of Prometheus' release, was not seeing a young Weyland in the film to justify the use of Pearce as an old man. Covenant smoothed that out for me to some degree.
  14. Valaquen
    do we think her make up is better or worse than guy pierce's weyland make up?

    Aw come on. It's no contest. Weyland is worse.

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/alienanthology/images/0/0e/Peter_Weyland.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121006110012

    They made him too old. Likie Johnny Knoxville's bad grandpa. He looks grotesque and rubbery. Look at Marlon Brando in The Godfather, make-up by Dick Smith. Masterful!
  15. Lavatar
    I prefer this over another prequel that demystifies the alien and probably a commercial failure. At least Ripley's return could revive the franchise, and then the renewed success will incite other offshoots a la Mandalorian.

    I also hope the dream part is not a recton, attempts to erase the past could prove divisive they should instead focus on moving forwards. The dream element is intriguing, Ripley 8 could use dreams to regain full consciousness of her past self (she couldn't remember things properly in Resurrection) and then you have old Ripley personality most people want, but with alien DNA, which could bring inner conflict and character development, and more plot opportunities. There's still some mileage left in the Ripley character, and retconning could take away from that.

    And if people really want to see Hicks and Newt again they could bring them back in dreams, or maybe even physically using another sci-fi element, then they can at least give them some closure.
  16. Huggs
    They should've focused in on the background at the end, as a groundskeeper picking up a dog turd, slowly turns to reveal himself as a terminator.

    Dun dun - dun dun dun.
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