[SPOILERS] So Covenant confirms that AvP and AvPR are not canon films.

[SM]

Well if David didn't have anything to do with the Derelict then he isn't the creator, no?

What?

If, for example, some Engineers encounter the Covenant, deactivate David, but the Aliens get on their ship and that ship ends up being the Derelict - David has had nothing to do with the Derelict and is still the creator.

[Huggs]

Well if David didn't have anything to do with the Derelict then he isn't the creator, no?

We do not yet officially know the age of the derelict. Without that, we cannot say who was first. It had enough energy left to still be broadcasting a warning. But as has been mentioned in other threads, the ship in Prometheus had kept an engineer safely in stasis for some 2000 years.

Until we have concrete answers, Ridley is free to say David had everything or nothing to do with the derelict.

[Frosty Venom]

You're kind of stretching it a bit there. It's still David's Xenomorphs that would have done this so it does link back to him.

I really hope it doesn't turn out to be something like this. The derelict was clearly meant to have ovomorphs in the hold for transportation before any infestation. (Until retconned)

[The Old One]

Sorry to be a nuisance. But can I get some examples?

"But if they were to contradict and separate Alien and AVP on film,
there are many other ways it could be done with no mention of anything relating to Charles or Michael."

Such as?

[Huggs]

You're kind of stretching it a bit there. It's still David's Xenomorphs that would have done this so it does link back to him.

If the derelict is older than david, then it's no stretch at all. We just don't know yet, as far as I'm aware.

[Frosty Venom]

Well if David didn't have anything to do with the Derelict then he isn't the creator, no?

We do not yet officially know the age of the derelict. Without that, we cannot say who was first. It had enough energy left to still be broadcasting a warning. But as has been mentioned in other threads, the ship in Prometheus had kept an engineer safely in stasis for some 2000 years.

Until we have concrete answers, Ridley is free to say David had everything or nothing to do with the derelict.

So until then we can't really say if David is or is not the sole creator of the Xenomorphs.

Sorry to be a nuisance. But can I get some examples?

"But if they were to contradict and separate Alien and AVP on film,
there are many other ways it could be done with no mention of anything relating to Charles or Michael."

Such as?

Well confirming David as the sole creator of the Xenomorph would be one way to do it. Which I hope they don't.

You're kind of stretching it a bit there. It's still David's Xenomorphs that would have done this so it does link back to him.

If the derelict is older than david, then it's no stretch at all. We just don't know yet, as far as I'm aware.

I was saying it was stretch in response to SM's last post. I agree with you that it appears the derelict should be older than David.

[SM]

So until then we can't really say if David is or is not the sole creator of the Xenomorphs.

No, that's not how it works.

[The Old One]

You said "Many other ways"

Give me one that doesn't concern the Alien itself.

[Frosty Venom]

So until then we can't really say if David is or is not the sole creator of the Xenomorphs.

No, that's not how it works.

Ah I see. So when there's multiple fans who believe it is amibuous and think a third film is needed for some answers, that's not how it works because you disagree?

You said "Many other ways"

Give me one that doesn't concern the Alien itself.

An offhand comment about Weyland's bloodline or the history of the Corporation. I don't know why you're pressing me on this, it doesn't hold much relevance to the discussion at hand. Ad nauseam 

[yhe1]

We can't confirm when the derelict crashed, so we can't confirm if David is the only creator.

Simple as that

[SiL]

We can't confirm when the derelict crashed, so we can't confirm if David is the only credator.

Simple as that

It's really not. Burden of proof would be on you to show it definitely crashed, with cargo, before David made the Aliens.

[yhe1]

We can't confirm when the derelict crashed, so we can't confirm if David is the only credator.

Simple as that

It's really not. Burden of proof would be on you to show it definitely crashed, with cargo, before David made the Aliens.

"Just because the derelict looks old doesn't mean it can't be young" vs "Just because we saw David create an xenomorph doesn't mean he is the only creator"

same arguments over and over again

[SM]

There is proof for the latter. Try making the comparison again when there is proof for the former.

[Baron Von Marlon]

In my made-up story for the sequel, David finds an old Engineer ship. Which would explain the state of the Derelict.

And David's the creator.
Why? It's what Covenant showed us and Ridley told us.
So unless we get an official movie that tells others, the Engineers didn't made it, David did.

[The Old One]

You said "Many other ways"

Give me one that doesn't concern the Alien itself.

An offhand comment about Weyland's bloodline or the history of the Corporation. I don't know why you're pressing me on this, it doesn't hold much relevance to the discussion at hand. Ad nauseam 

So... stuff that's already present in the films and the W-Y Report.
But you theory craft around anyway to deny their relevance.