Alien or Predator?

[SiL]

In Resurrection they seemed pretty well tuned into the Queen

...based on what? We literally never see Aliens interact with the Queen in that movie, only the Newborn.

In AVP they rushed to the Queen pretty quick to free her, though they were less organised than they were in Aliens, or any other Alien movie. Then again, AVP ... meh

They didn't even know she was there until she screamed; they operated just fine before that. They managed to all get together even though the pyramid was shifting all on their lonesomes, and attacked Scar and Lex just like they did in Aliens - from hidden areas in the roof and swarming. Less organised? Not really.

[Valaquen]

In Resurrection they seemed pretty well tuned into the Queen

...based on what? We literally never see Aliens interact with the Queen in that movie, only the Newborn.

They construct a hive pretty well and take Ripley to the Queen. They also coccoon hosts.

In AVP they rushed to the Queen pretty quick to free her, though they were less organised than they were in Aliens, or any other Alien movie. Then again, AVP ... meh

They didn't even know she was there until she screamed; they operated just fine before that. They managed to all get together even though the pyramid was shifting all on their lonesomes, and attacked Scar and Lex just like they did in Aliens - from hidden areas in the roof and swarming. Less organised? Not really.[/quote]
You may have a point there, but I can't say that the Aliens in AVP proved anymore ingenious than those in Aliens. Predator targets were never swarmed ala Operations in Aliens, the Xenos seeming to prefer one-on-one combat. Sure, Grid held his own, but what were the other Aliens doing? Sitting back and watching?

[SiL]

They construct a hive pretty well and take Ripley to the Queen. They also coccoon hosts.

Okay, and? That means they're 'in-tune' with the Queen how?

You may have a point there, but I can't say that the Aliens in AVP proved anymore ingenious than those in Aliens.

And yet no less, which is my point.

Predator targets were never swarmed ala Operations in Aliens,

Scar was.

Sure, Grid held his own, but what were the other Aliens doing? Sitting back and watching?

The whole pyramid rearranging thing ... ?

[Valaquen]

They construct a hive pretty well and take Ripley to the Queen. They also coccoon hosts.

Okay, and? That means they're 'in-tune' with the Queen how?

They're certainly being subservient to her.

And yet no less, which is my point.
Scar was.
The whole pyramid rearranging thing ... ?

I'll have to give you these because I've seen AVP once in three years

We'll agree on something, one day

[SiL]

They're certainly being subservient to her.

... in Alien Resurrection?

This is literally never shown. At all. In the slightest. Throughout the whole movie.

So they make a hive. So did the one in Alien. So did the Aliens in AvP, and they had to do that before they freed the Queen/knew she was there. So they cocoon hosts - What's that got to do with being subservient to the Queen?

We'll agree on something, one day

Where's the fun in that

[MadassAlex]

Further to the point of the thread:

Aliens rule, Predators drool.

[MadassAlex]

(Aliens also drool)

[Valaquen]

... in Alien Resurrection?

This is literally never shown. At all. In the slightest. Throughout the whole movie.

So they make a hive. So did the one in Alien. So did the Aliens in AvP, and they had to do that before they freed the Queen/knew she was there. So they cocoon hosts - What's that got to do with being subservient to the Queen?

They made a nest around her, this is seen, they also coccoon hosts around her and not randomly through the ship. Bearing in mind, A:R does have its head-scratchers - like the egg trap above the flooded area: who the hell put the eggs there and why? The Xenos expected someone to poke through the flooded area? The Queen in A:R also has two reproductive methods - human birth and egg laying.  (I haven't seen A:R in years).

Where's the fun in that

My post count will be lower but my fingers will be grateful for the rest

[SiL]

They made a nest around her, this is seen, they also coccoon hosts around her and not randomly through the ship.

AvP shows they build hives around wherever the bulk of the eggs are (as housing, maybe, to allude to our other discussion). Which would, naturally, be around the Queen. She seems fairly incidental.

[Valaquen]

They made a nest around her, this is seen, they also coccoon hosts around her and not randomly through the ship.

AvP shows they build hives around wherever the bulk of the eggs are (as housing, maybe, to allude to our other discussion). Which would, naturally, be around the Queen. She seems fairly incidental.

I dunno; she seems to be laying those eggs. (NO egg morphing!!)

[SiL]

As in, her being there is incidental to the hive being there, outside of laying eggs.

Basically -- the Aliens aren't building a hive around her, they're building a hive around the eggs. Whether she's there or not doesn't factor into it.

[Valaquen]

As in, her being there is incidental to the hive being there, outside of laying eggs.

Basically -- the Aliens aren't building a hive around her, they're building a hive around the eggs. Whether she's there or not doesn't factor into it.

Why not? No Queen = no eggs. She's the hub of the Hive. They also bring Ripley to her. When she awakes, the Xenos aren't pouring over her. Whether or not she's coccooned, I can't remember - I don't have a copy of this movie.

[Derrad]

true i think the was afraid she would roost the queen AND the eggs but then one of the eggs open and Ripley makes an omelet out of it and some other eggs and then the aliens start coming

some time sens i have seen the film

[OmegaZilla]

one of the eggs open and Ripley makes an omelet out of it

This made my day.

[Hive Tyrant]

As in, her being there is incidental to the hive being there, outside of laying eggs.

Basically -- the Aliens aren't building a hive around her, they're building a hive around the eggs. Whether she's there or not doesn't factor into it.

Why not? No Queen = no eggs. She's the hub of the Hive. They also bring Ripley to her. When she awakes, the Xenos aren't pouring over her. Whether or not she's coccooned, I can't remember - I don't have a copy of this movie.

Ripley isn't in AvP. The Hive in AvP is where the eggs are -- hell, the Queen is all alone for most of the movie. With no Hive.