Quote from: SiL on Oct 31, 2022, 10:20:20 AMI'm increasingly convinced he didn't actually watch the movie and is operating under the internet law that the fastest way to find the correct answer is to post the wrong one and wait for someone to correct you.
We watched the same movie, and everything that I've been explaining to you comes from the same. What I'm doing is also not "the fasted way to find the correct answer" but the slowest, as I have to explain everything to you in great detail and correct you each time. That's why my messages are long and detailed.
The problem is that you can't counter any of my arguments. Let's recap them:
Van Leuwen points out that the flight recorder mentions only the fact that the Nostromo landed and resumed course. There is no reference to the landing location. In addition, he is trying to look for entries about encountering the hostile organism in a flight recorder, which is not designed to do that. Ironically, Ripley, who is a flight officer and knows how flight recorders work, does not question that point.
Why is it important to note the point that there is no reference to a landing location? Because flight recorders are supposed to record that. Ironically, Ripley, who is a flight officer, didn't notice that, either.
Next, he refers to the lifeboat flight recorder. That means it was operating at the same time as the Nostromo flight recorder?
Ripley tries to go to the next point, that she had picked up an alien organism. Van Leuwen reports that they searched the lifeboat and found no traces of it. Someone in the thread pointed out that the grappling gun, but that would have left the door ajar and let out oxygen, so it was likely gone together with the alien. That means van Leuwen is correct.
Ripley then points out that they had homed in on its beacon, which means the next point would have been the location of that beacon, as that's the implication of "homing in". But Ripley ignores that, which is highly illogical because that appears to be the only thing that can prove her story, and instead talks about what they saw in the ship, what happened when they were infected, etc., all of which is pointless because it looks like all they have is the flight recorder, which obviously doesn't record that. And that's how the board finishes her off.
After the short break where Burke consoles Ripley, the hearing concludes that Ripley acted questionably, which means that she couldn't prove her story, but that in place of criminal charges she will have to undergo psych evaluation and have her license suspended. In short, they think she's mentally disturbed and made up her story.
Given what happened after the hearing, the board is right. But the reason is because they didn't talk about the location. Why's that. Because after the file is closed (that means the investigation is concluded and Ripley has been penalized; wait, the hearing became a trial?) it's only then that Ripley approaches van Leuwen and asks him, "Why won't you just check out LV-426?," he brushes her off, saying that they don't have to do that, as they've had people on that rock for some time. A shocked Ripley asks, "What are you talking about? What people?" Van Leuwen starts talking about the colony that never reported on seeing an alien ship.
In short, Ripley only knew about the colony AFTER the hearing. This also proves that they never talked about the location of the ship or the beacon which the Nostromo homed in because if they did, then she would have asked that question DURING the hearing, and would have known about the colony from van Leuwen.
In addition, whether during or after, Ripley would have, using common sense, argued that not seeing the alien ship can take place when one doesn't go to the location where that ship is located. Whether van Leuwen gave that weak excuse intentionally or not, Ripley accepts it readily. More important, it's mentioned AFTER the hearing, which means it has no bearing on an investigation that was already completed.
So, Ripley is stuck with low-paying work and constant monitoring from a company that she obviously detests, and all because of a bizarre hearing, and is then approached by Burke, asking for help because they've lost contact with the colony. He wants to send in an armed expedition even though he thinks it might just be a "[downed] transmitter" that's the problem, which is pointless because he and Gorman appease Ripley that by saying that they're coming in heavily armed and ready, after which Ripley ironically accepts his offer even though he belongs to the same group that "[threw her] to the wolves." So, what's that "second chance"? To be thrown to the wolves a third time, either from failure of that mission or when she gets her flight status back and have the same wolves pick up her contract.
Later, Ripley finds out that Burke was going to screw them because he had contacted the colony, which is why they got infected. Where did Burke get the landing location when it wasn't mentioned in the hearing? If it was mentioned in the hearing, then why didn't Ripley contest that point, which is why she lost her case and was penalized? If it didn't come from the lifeboat recorder, then where did the location info come from?
Some add that Burke was acting alone. If that's true, then why was he referring to a cut? Who gets the rest? Does this have something to do with the company and government owning mineral rights on the rock, which implies that they own everything that's found on it, and anyone who discovers it gets a cut?
If he got the location from the hearing, then that means everyone else, from Burke to the other board members, also got it. If so, then why didn't Ripley raise that point, as it's the ONLY piece of evidence that would have saved her hide? Why didn't anyone else in the board do what Burke did? And how did Burke, who is assumed to have worked alone, manage to get the military to provide him with resources behind the back of the company?
Why are they coming in armed even though they received no word from the colony, as Burke claims? Why would the military even agree to provide an armed group given the same?
All of these imply that it's highly illogical that Burke acted alone or that they received no word from the colony. It's more likely that he wasn't and they received some details from the latter before aliens destroyed systems to make the comms inoperable, which is why the military was sent it. But this also confirms Ripley's story and negates the conclusion made by the board. Again, using common sense, Ripley could have thought about that, and demanded more for Burke, but didn't. If any, her attempt in questioning Burke and going against him comes too late.
Now, I don't know about weird reasons like PTSD and sleep deprivation, but from what I gathered throughout the hearing Ripley sounded straightforward and assertive, so those reasons make no sense. What's clear, though, is that she committed several errors (as shown above), which is why she lost her case and ended up getting screwed again by joining an expedition that wasn't prepared, and let by a company that, contrary to the ridiculous belief that it has forgotten the idea of gain of function, appears to have been actively engaged in it throughout.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 01, 2022, 02:35:07 AMYeah this is all kinda... dumb.
Ralph is either taking the worlds longest piss or he's just massively misinterpreted the film somehow.
Either way further discussion won't change his course of action.
Feel free to explain why, and then I'll counter your arguments.
Go ahead. No need to be shy.
