Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMI'm fully on-board with retconning Alien 3 even though I thoroughly like the movie. The Aliens series is not just about the creatures. It's about certain characters as well. The Aliens series was at its best when it revolved around Ripley and has had steadily diminishing returns ever since. Taking away Ripley was like taking away Batman from a Batman film.
No. False equivalency. Ripley is not the Batman of Alien. The Alien is the Batman of Alien. But even still, it's a tenuous comparison.
Anyway, It's not the "Aliens" series. You can't just pretend that Aliens, the
sequel, is the source material. It's just not.
So, yes, the series was at it's best when Ripley was there, but that's not BECAUSE Ripley was there. It's because the prequels are the ramblings of an insane old man. (I haven't seen the AVP films yet, but from what I gather it's shit writing that made those bad.)
Unhinged Ridley Scott ⤵
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMThe send-off was just so bad and unfulfilling, it mostly appeals to people who choose darkness, hopelessness and the nihilistic view of life.
If that was your take on Alien 3 then I'm not sure you were paying attention. It's a story about certain death, yes. But moreover it's a story about keeping your hope alive and doing what's right even knowing that you'll die. It's the most hopeful movie I've seen in a while. And it's in my catalog of media that inspires me to do what's right, not to give up and embrace darkness.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMAliens was the best film in the series and it took the story and it took it in a positive life-affirming direction. It gave us that Disney ending and that is why it appealed to the masses. The Aliens series needs to get back to that.
That is so shallow and vapid, I don't even know what to say. Why on Earth would you want Alien to be so simple? Just go watch Star Wars or something. Alien doesn't need to be like the bland mess of media we're inundated with nowadays.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2022, 04:29:18 PMAlso, the Aliens series already has retcons. Prometheus undid the AVP series.
AVP was never canon.
They did, however, sort of retcon how the space jockey do into a much more simplistic idea. Plus they retconned what that black goop does in the prequels. So I'll give you that.