Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 07:18:17 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 06:38:28 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 05:25:05 AM
If it's not aimed at me, why quote me and not direct your comment at those who actually said the things you mentioned.
Because it's the point of the person you're talking to that you don't seem to be grasping. People can like the films for whatever reasons, nobody's denying that. But the political messages have driven their plots since day one whether people are aware or like it or not, and them now complaining about the series continuing in the same theme is stupid.
So it's aimed at me.
I can't grasp it? What can't I grasp exactly? I never denied any of the political themes in the franchise. Nor was I complaining about them.
So how about you quit acting allmighty and condescending.
Or just put me on ignore if you don't like what you imagined I said.
Because you are the one that kicked this back and forth off when you said
"If you got a good movie, with a proper cast, a good script with well written dialogue, no one cares about a political analogy" which simply isn't true. It may be the case for certain people that aren't paying full attention to what they are watching, but should those people really be a litmus test for this? These inherent core political ideas are very much a direct component of that
"good script" that makes it a
"good movie," and certainly one of the core reasons why the characters and themes of the films still resonate as much today as on release –
Alien is a stark portrayal of a corporate dystopia, capitalism run amok by companies that see people as nothing more than a means to an end, and people attempting to rise up and save themselves in the face of certain horror (I.e., the Alien) despite the entire system not just being against them, but actually actively sabatoging them along the way. That's all theme, yes, but it is also surface-level story as well.
Nothing at all that Hawley has said so far regarding the political slant of this series feels out of line with the previous films at all; his words just read to me as him getting the very surface-level ideas of the original films. Whether he handles these concepts well, nobody will really know until we actually see the series. But the irrational fear that certain people have of things getting "WOKE" all of a sudden just goes to show that people we're talking about, the ones you said only want a "good script," actually
do care about political analogy... and that they flat out don't want it in their media because somehow in their heads they've managed to ignore every point that the original movies that they've watched and enjoyed all these years were making and now hearing someone cite those very points makes them uncomfortable.
That's what this conversation is. Nobody is saying that you don't get the political themes. What we're saying is that certain people not noticing the political themes doesn't mean that they aren't there, or that they shouldn't be embraced moving forward.