Would you feel better if Newt and Hicks survived?

Started by Kradan, Feb 10, 2019, 08:15:19 AM

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Would you feel better if Newt and Hicks survived? (Read 32,131 times)

The Old One

The Old One

#165

If Dwayne Hicks and Rebecca Jorden (Newt)'s alive- Ripley's personal attachment  renders the sacrifice simple, save the family. But dead and the comfort's absent.

Ellen Ripley allowing the Company the Alien is revenge. The Company's bioweapon personnel die but countless innocent people withal.

Ellen Ripley's Alien abortion is selfless.
Ellen Ripley chooses sacrifice over revenge.

It's difficult to do the right thing when you've something to fight for.
It's more difficult to do the right thing when you've nothing to fight for.


Voodoo Magic

Quote from: The Old One on Mar 19, 2019, 03:35:46 PM

If Dwayne Hicks and Rebecca Jorden (Newt)'s alive- Ripley's personal attachment  renders the sacrifice simple, save the family. But dead and the comfort's absent.

Ellen Ripley allowing the Company the Alien is revenge. The Company's bioweapon personnel die but countless innocent people withal.

Ellen Ripley's Alien abortion is selfless.
Ellen Ripley chooses sacrifice over revenge.

It's difficult to do the right thing when you've something to fight for.
It's more difficult to do the right thing when you've nothing to fight for.


Whole heartedly disagree with that statement.

And let's flip that coin:

Keeping the Alien out of the hands of the company is revenge!


It's less difficult to die when you have no one to live for. Plus you get to give a big middle finger to the company to boot!

It's more difficult to die when you have someone to live for, and now depends on you.

The Old One

The Old One

#167
Incorrect.

Voodoo Magic

Quote from: The Old One on Mar 19, 2019, 03:54:06 PM
Incorrect. You've obviously never actually been in the situation where you have nothing to live for, it's more difficult to continue fighting and keep the moral high ground.

Killing yourself is not continuing fighting.

QuoteThe Alien isn't what destroyed Ripley's life, the Company is- but she's abstaining from revenge because she's disallowing them the opportunity to obtain the Alien. Full well knowing that it would wipe out the Company she despises, but there's also the potential that it would kill everything else.

Obviously revenge is not a logical pursuit because it could end in one extreme, the company gets what they want by containing and weaponizong the Alien, or the other extreme, the Alien cannot be contained and destroys not just the company but all of humanity. So there's no there there.

QuoteThat's the thing that makes Ripley a hero and a true Christlike figure in her final hours, because she has absolutely nothing to gain from doing the right thing and does it anyway.

Finally conquering the Alien that has taken so much from her, finally winning over the hellish beast, is plenty to gain in my eyes.


The Old One

The Old One

#169
Yes it is for Ellen Ripley.

Revenge is a emotional pursuit.
Ellen Ripley's clearly emotional.

The hellish beast is a hellish beast, but it's irrelevance is because the Company is the real world and Ellen Ripley's fictional world; vortex.
It's responsible for the Nostromo's investigation- beginning it all.

Voodoo Magic

YOU!!! You delete posts after I reply to them? So not fair!!!  :P

The Old One

The Old One

#171
No, I edited.

The OG post irritated. Regardless, you replied.
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Voodoo Magic

You edited paragraphs down to one word: Incorrect.  Thank goodness I quoted you!

In forums we call that bad form!

I'll always have to quote you from now on to be safe. Otherwise, one day you'll ask me what my favorite animal is, I'll reply a platypus, and then you'll change it to: With whom would you most want to have a romantic relationship with?  :P


Voodoo Magic

Then why bother deleting it at all I say, I say!

The Old One

The Old One

#174
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.
Internal logic.

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Voodoo Magic

I forgot to quote again. How quickly I forget to listen to my own advice. 

Gin kills brain cells.

TheSailingRabbit

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2019, 08:06:58 PM
I forgot to quote again. How quickly I forget to listen to my own advice. 

Gin kills brain cells.

Do you need some help?

Voodoo Magic

Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 19, 2019, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2019, 08:06:58 PM
I forgot to quote again. How quickly I forget to listen to my own advice. 

Gin kills brain cells.

Do you need some help?

Yes, do you have some more gin?

TheSailingRabbit

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2019, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 19, 2019, 08:11:53 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 19, 2019, 08:06:58 PM
I forgot to quote again. How quickly I forget to listen to my own advice. 

Gin kills brain cells.

Do you need some help?

Yes, do you have some more gin?

I don't drink, remember?

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