Started by 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯, Dec 04, 2017, 05:54:38 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2018, 10:59:59 AMThat's some grade-A redirection, Scorpio.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jan 10, 2018, 11:12:48 AM"Having Jazz Hands doesn't mean you're gay, it just means you like having sex with men." ~ Oscar Wilde
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jan 10, 2018, 12:43:36 PMIt just goes to show, you learn something new every day.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2018, 12:49:50 PMQuote from: Jonesy1974 on Jan 10, 2018, 12:43:36 PMIt just goes to show, you learn something new every day.Indeed! That said, it's still pretty obvious that was not intended as any sort of slight towards gay people. It just looks like the Alien is doing jazz hands...which is funny...because it's an Alien...that looks like it's doing a dance move...but it isn't...because it's an Alien...and it's not the Spaceballs Alien...it's the Alien Alien.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMvF349-rOk
Quote from: SiL on Jan 09, 2018, 09:27:05 PMBecause there are layers and themes, mostly presented in the art and design of the film. We all know that. Yet the story is still about a space monster murdering truckers. That's the core of the film, and everything is in service to that. That's what makes it simple. Where you're getting the idea that simple means shallow, superficial, or inferior I don't know.
Quote from: reecebomb on Jan 09, 2018, 10:31:51 PMQuote from: Crazy Shrimp on Jan 09, 2018, 10:15:10 PMQuote from: Jonesy1974 on Jan 09, 2018, 12:39:36 PMQuote from: SiL on Jan 09, 2018, 10:16:26 AMI reckon it is. Also that he was never much into horror to begin with, so I don't think he's kept up with the fact that modern horror audiences are eagerly consuming slower -- or at least more deliberately -- paced films.I think, though, is that a bigger problem is he forgot the one key lesson that arguably makes any good horror film effective: keep it f**king simple. He's trying to scare audiences and pontificate on man's place in the universe and hold a discourse on artificial intelligence and it's just too much at once.I'm not sure about that. Many of the greatest horror movies are about much more than just the scares, The Exorcist for instance. Maybe its more about the focus, what the primary goal of the film is. Ridley said he wanted to scare us but that doesn't really feel like his primary focus.As much as I like them I agree though that Covenant and Prometheus aren't scary. Both films have moments of tension but as you say they don't build up any sense of dread and that's key to making a film truly scary. They don't take enough time to crank up the fear of the unknown and what is to come.In addition, in the original film the Alien looks like a psychopathic killer more than a deadly wild animal. In fact, the monster approaches in a slow and extravagant way towards their victims before killing them, even showing a disturbing behavior.https://78.media.tumblr.com/dd1654fb16f390b5a68f552a0366b668/tumblr_n80krkmiZ61s4nyfho3_r2_500.gif Agreed, that behaviour was reduced in the sequels but the animal with rabies completely missed the mark in Covenant imo. The alien in Isolation was was a but too animalistic as well (the stomping the sounds), being a videogame have it's limitations and it did have some dope and some graceful animations.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Jan 09, 2018, 10:15:10 PMQuote from: Jonesy1974 on Jan 09, 2018, 12:39:36 PMQuote from: SiL on Jan 09, 2018, 10:16:26 AMI reckon it is. Also that he was never much into horror to begin with, so I don't think he's kept up with the fact that modern horror audiences are eagerly consuming slower -- or at least more deliberately -- paced films.I think, though, is that a bigger problem is he forgot the one key lesson that arguably makes any good horror film effective: keep it f**king simple. He's trying to scare audiences and pontificate on man's place in the universe and hold a discourse on artificial intelligence and it's just too much at once.I'm not sure about that. Many of the greatest horror movies are about much more than just the scares, The Exorcist for instance. Maybe its more about the focus, what the primary goal of the film is. Ridley said he wanted to scare us but that doesn't really feel like his primary focus.As much as I like them I agree though that Covenant and Prometheus aren't scary. Both films have moments of tension but as you say they don't build up any sense of dread and that's key to making a film truly scary. They don't take enough time to crank up the fear of the unknown and what is to come.In addition, in the original film the Alien looks like a psychopathic killer more than a deadly wild animal. In fact, the monster approaches in a slow and extravagant way towards their victims before killing them, even showing a disturbing behavior.https://78.media.tumblr.com/dd1654fb16f390b5a68f552a0366b668/tumblr_n80krkmiZ61s4nyfho3_r2_500.gif
Quote from: Jonesy1974 on Jan 09, 2018, 12:39:36 PMQuote from: SiL on Jan 09, 2018, 10:16:26 AMI reckon it is. Also that he was never much into horror to begin with, so I don't think he's kept up with the fact that modern horror audiences are eagerly consuming slower -- or at least more deliberately -- paced films.I think, though, is that a bigger problem is he forgot the one key lesson that arguably makes any good horror film effective: keep it f**king simple. He's trying to scare audiences and pontificate on man's place in the universe and hold a discourse on artificial intelligence and it's just too much at once.I'm not sure about that. Many of the greatest horror movies are about much more than just the scares, The Exorcist for instance. Maybe its more about the focus, what the primary goal of the film is. Ridley said he wanted to scare us but that doesn't really feel like his primary focus.As much as I like them I agree though that Covenant and Prometheus aren't scary. Both films have moments of tension but as you say they don't build up any sense of dread and that's key to making a film truly scary. They don't take enough time to crank up the fear of the unknown and what is to come.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 09, 2018, 10:16:26 AMI reckon it is. Also that he was never much into horror to begin with, so I don't think he's kept up with the fact that modern horror audiences are eagerly consuming slower -- or at least more deliberately -- paced films.I think, though, is that a bigger problem is he forgot the one key lesson that arguably makes any good horror film effective: keep it f**king simple. He's trying to scare audiences and pontificate on man's place in the universe and hold a discourse on artificial intelligence and it's just too much at once.