Weyland Yutani's prior knowledge of the aliens

Started by Ballzanya, Sep 09, 2007, 03:30:27 AM

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Ballzanya

Ballzanya

After recently watching the director's cut of the first alien film, its quite clear that Weyland Yutani knew about the aliens before the events of that film.

We know that the nostromo was re-routed on their orders, and ash was put on board to make sure a specimen was brought back from lv-426. If all they knew was the beacon was a warning or a distress signal and that it merely could be alien in origin, how did they know it was the type of alien life that you could receive a specimen from? Rather than peaceful, sentient life or what not.

This implies they new a type of  non-humanoid life. They knew it must have been deadly or else they wouldn't want it for their bio-weapons division. The decoding of the signal didn't have that specific of a warning did it, if so, why would dallas not have seen the special order, he had access to mother as the captain?
Is that due to weyland yutani's policy of having dallas only see non-science related priorities?

Ash was playing dumb through the movie as well, when questioned what the embryo is, he says he doesn't know and turns off the monitor. The way he looks at Kane and around the room before it bursts out, implies he knew what was going to happen. Sure these points may just be because he found out about what the facehugger was doing once he analyzed it while it was on Kane, but maybe not.

So therefore if the signal from the derelict spacecraft on lv-426 did not contain specific information about the danger, then clearly this implies prior knowledge of the alien was gained by them. Therefore the events in avp-r, would not necessarily break continuity by having the government or certain people in it, be aware of the aliens in some capacity.

The Diesel

Quote from: ballzanya on Sep 09, 2007, 03:30:27 AM
So therefore if the signal from the derelict spacecraft on lv-426 did not contain specific information about the danger, then clearly this implies prior knowledge of the alien was gained by them. Therefore the events in avp-r, would not necessarily break continuity by having the government or certain people in it, be aware of the aliens in some capacity.
I was thinking the exact same thing the other day.  I was thinking how the government's knowledge of the Aliens in AvP-R would not necessarily be breaking any continuity.  Although the next movie should be in the future, though.  Exactly what time-frame in the future is up for grabs.  Unfortunately Alien Resurrection did kind of mess up some continuity stuff.

Major Alan Schaefer

Well really...the only time has to be near "Aliens" because of AR and the genius who wrote it make it sound as if Ripley killed them all the only other option would be for it after AR and the aliens be back again...who knows lol probally they won't even say the date jsut make the movie in space

Kimarhi

The company knew of the jockey ship because of its broadcast.  They didn't know about the Aliens.

Ballzanya

Quote from: The Diesel on Sep 09, 2007, 03:42:09 AM
Quote from: ballzanya on Sep 09, 2007, 03:30:27 AM
So therefore if the signal from the derelict spacecraft on lv-426 did not contain specific information about the danger, then clearly this implies prior knowledge of the alien was gained by them. Therefore the events in avp-r, would not necessarily break continuity by having the government or certain people in it, be aware of the aliens in some capacity.
I was thinking the exact same thing the other day.  I was thinking how the government's knowledge of the Aliens in AvP-R would not necessarily be breaking any continuity.  Although the next movie should be in the future, though.  Exactly what time-frame in the future is up for grabs.  Unfortunately Alien Resurrection did kind of mess up some continuity stuff.

well of the timeline of the events in the movies is as follows:

predator 1
predator 2
avp-
avp-r -
alien- takes place in in late or mid 21st century
aliens- 57 years after the events of alien
alien 3- shortly after aliens
allien resurrection- 200 years after alien 3

Major Alan Schaefer

and magically knew they had a dangours animal on board and that it could be sued as a weapon....right

Porkus Maximus

Quoteand magically knew they had a dangours animal on board and that it could be sued as a weapon....right

I believe it is suggested that Ash is in constant contact with the company, so the special order could have been issued from any point between their initial touchdown on LV-426 and right before Ripley saw it.

Ballzanya

Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 09, 2007, 03:48:38 AM
The company knew of the jockey ship because of its broadcast.  They didn't know about the Aliens.

that's what i thought but the special order 2037 was given before ash even had a facehugger to study. It was the order sent directly from Weyland Yutani which re-routed the ship in the first place to go to lv-426. Ashes explanation for that was really hiding a lot. How would an order to retrieve a "specimen" be issued before they even checked out the planet, if they didn't have prior knowledge?

Kimarhi

And magically knew what Ash told them.

Then the nostromo is lost.  Then Ripley floats through space.  Then the jockey ship stops broadcasting its signal because of seismic activity and lava flows.  

Then it gets covered up by people trying to save their own asses.  45 million in adjust dollars.  MINUS payload which was supposed to make the crew rich.  Not only that, Ash's negligence resulted in the deaths of his crewmates.  Lawsuits would've been filed had it came out.  Blah freaking blah.

It gets buried, people forget about it.  57 years later, Ripley is revived.  Anybody that knew of the plot are most likely dead or in the nursing home.

You need to ask yourself WHY they would wait 57 years to move on acquiring an Alien.


Porkus Maximus

It's not specified if the special order is what re-reouted the ship or whether it was standard practise for the Mother AI to react that way to the beacon.

Kimarhi

Quote from: ballzanya on Sep 09, 2007, 03:52:49 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 09, 2007, 03:48:38 AM
The company knew of the jockey ship because of its broadcast.  They didn't know about the Aliens.

that's what i thought but the special order 2037 was given before ash even had a facehugger to study. It was the order sent directly from Weyland Yutani which re-routed the ship in the first place to go to lv-426. Ashes explanation for that was really hiding a lot. How would an order to retrieve a "specimen" be issued before they even checked out the planet, if they didn't have prior knowledge?

2037 (was it 2037?) was about the Alien.  About what the company knew about the Alien through Ash.  We don't know what directive the company called the rerouting of the Nostromo to investigate Acheron was.  They were two different things.

Ballzanya

Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Sep 09, 2007, 03:55:52 AM
It's not specified if the special order is what re-reouted the ship or whether it was standard practise for the Mother AI to react that way to the beacon.


True, i guess. However The company knew of a hostile organism there for sure once ash did have a facehugger that is known. But the order to secure a specimen couldn't have been referring to that, since it was dead. The order implies they wanted a live one. Kane, dallas and lambert didn't have clear radio contact when they were on the ship, so they could not have told ash and therefore by proxy, weyland yutani about the eggs..etc.
If the order to retrieve a specimen was given after they had already been to the planet, i don't see how that would make too much sense, since they clearly weren't going to go back.

Now if the order was given later when ash was in contact with the company through mother, and the specimen is the chestburster, then it might make sense. But if the order was given after the alien was already known to be large, I doubt they could have expected ash to contain it.
So the special order 2037 had to have been given between the time the ship is re-routed and the time in which the alien is first seen bursting out of kane. But no later than that.

Kimarhi

It could've been broadcast at any time Ash was alone with mother. 


Ballzanya

Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 09, 2007, 04:07:07 AM
It could've been broadcast at any time Ash was alone with mother. 



no not anytime, because once the alien got brett..everyone onboard knew it was big and therefore not able to be contained as a specimen. So i doubt ash could have received any special order to bring back a live alien at that time or later.

Porkus Maximus

Technically he wouldn't have to contain it, just prevent the crew from killing it.  Once the crew were all dead the alien could be left to do whatever the hell it wanted, it wasn't exactly going anywhere.

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