QuoteWeak dude, just weak. I mention that because it was an atrocious crime, nothing like it has been seen in the UK before really, nothing I can remember, not at least in broad daylight in front of everyone. It shocked the country.
What they did was indeed atrocious, horrible and downright despicable, but you don't have to google much to find a bunch of murders of the similar gruesomeness and malevolence. The difference is that they take place in poor & unprivileged neighborhoods to poor unprivileged people, so no one really cares. This crime however didn't happen in those places - it happened during broad daylight and was filmed. A great story for vulture media and anti-immigration islamophobes and whatnot.
QuoteHR is fine but like some things these days its to the extreme, over the top, there is no common sense anymore and people abuse it.
So capital punishment is considered universal common sense? I didn't know that.
QuoteThe shortcomings of modern justice (in the UK) is the fact its too weak and people get away with things knowing all that will happen is life in a comfy prison...possibly getting out after 20yrs with good behaviour. I also fail to see how putting down very dangerous killers is 'a slippery slope backwards down the centuries'.
Because once you allow something as barbaric as the death penalty in your society you have opened up the doors to everything that follows since everything, including laws and justice is up for interpretation. It says that it is ok to embrace and enact the gladiator arena mentality that comes with it. Makes it easier to walk down gurther that path since access has been granted.
QuoteSo tell us...how would you deal with the problems?? how would you fix the issues? you haven't actually given any examples of how to magically solve the problem. Someone decapitates a member of your family and laughs about it on the news...what do you wanna see happen?.
How to deal with it? I can only talk from an U.S. point of view where brutal prisons, the death penalty and money making prisons haven't helped anyone and has in fact made things worse on all accounts. Dealing with crime isn't just about dealing with criminals, it's about dealing with society as a whole. There are no simple fast solutions or miracle pills.
You have to spend more on the poor and underprivileged, their areas and communities. Spend more on education and after-school programs. We need more local policemen, "on every block", but not to mainly monitor the citizens to prevent crime rather than being there as a part of society, someone to talk to, someone that is a friend of your neighborhood. More grown-ups working with kid on all levels. No for-profit (government sanctioned) private run prisons; truly deal with racial bias and racial profiling (blacks are 10 to 15 more likely to be arrested and prosecuted for the sane minor offenses whites walk away from without even a slap on the wrist) --- no more crowded prisons. Put some wholehearted effort into rehabilitation and education instead of ostracizing them. Prisons shouldn't be spa resorts, but they shouldn't be gulags or medieval dungeons either. Brutal killers/murderers and such should be isolated and stowed away without Internet and such, but they should still be treated like human beings but with little human contact...
...The list goes on...
In short it is all about humane crime prevention that enriches the whole society and that sees the problems and deal with them before things go bad. Unfortunately it costs a lot of money and takes time.
And of course I would like to rip the murderer of a loved one limb to limb, especially if they appeared on tv gloating; I would initially wish for pain, suffering and a slow death. But fortunately the law is above that and doesn't act on primitive gut feelings and mob mentality.
