Declassified: US Imperialism, Terror, and Support for Tyranny

Started by Horhey, Apr 12, 2011, 09:44:14 PM

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Pn2501

Pn2501

#330
Not to derail the topic, have you ever seen this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAluyt5_kic#ws

The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream of Freedom

Google video have the full series.

Adam Curtis is amazing, his use of stock footage and sound is pretty compelling.
I'd have to say his documentary The Century of the Self, Is probably my favorite documentary series.

Horhey

Horhey

#331
Quote from: Pn2501 on Apr 29, 2011, 09:21:53 PM
Not to derail the topic, have you ever seen this

The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream of Freedom

Google video have the full series.

Adam Curtis is amazing, his use of stock footage and sound is pretty compelling.
I'd have to say his documentary The Century of the Self, Is probably my favorite documentary series.

The video is solid. It's actually gotten much worse under the Obama administration..

Noam Chomsky on Reagan's Distorted Legacy, Wisconsin Protests & Obama's Activist Crackdown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFRadCGY_ao#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8g_XE4oZqU#

The Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project was initiated by the Obama team. It was argued by Elena Kagan, Obama's court appointment and with the support of the reactionary justices they won.

Nothing like this belongs in any place that calls itself a free society. The case determined that by just speaking to an organization the government lists on the terrorist list you are to be arrested for providing what they define as "material support". This means that any American, for example, who talks to Hamas about how they should move towards nonviolent resistance, is giving material support to a group on the terrorist list and therefore will be arrested.

Furthermore, the terrorist list itself is totally illegitimate. That shouldnt exist in a free society. The terrorist list is an arbitrary list established by the President alone with no oversight. The President alone has the power to decide who's on the list.

QuoteInternationally-Renowned Humanitarian Groups Support Challenge to Unconstitutional "Material Support" Law

New York...The American Civil Liberties Union today filed a friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of the Carter Center, Human Rights Watch and several other human rights and humanitarian organizations in a case before the U.S. Supreme Court challenging the constitutionality of a law that makes it a crime to provide "material support or resources" to any organization that the Secretary of State has designated a "foreign terrorist organization" (FTO).

The organizations that joined the brief are internationally recognized for their efforts to promote peace, further human rights and alleviate human suffering around the world. According to the brief, those efforts are imperiled by the vague language of the material support law, which arguably reaches even speech and advocacy whose only purpose is to deter future terrorist activity.

"The material support law is so vague and broad that peace, human rights and aid groups are left hopelessly guessing whether their constitutionally-protected speech could land them in jail," said Melissa Goodman, staff attorney with the ACLU National Security Project. "Cutting off aid to terrorism is undoubtedly an important government interest, but criminalizing legitimate peace-building and humanitarian work – including advocacy to end terrorism and violence – does nothing to further that interest and actually makes it more difficult to achieve."

Under the law, individuals face up to 15 years in prison for providing "material support" to FTOs even if they oppose the terrorist activities of the designated group and even if their work is intended to further entirely peaceful, lawful objectives.

"Material support" is defined broadly to include, among other things, any "service," "training," "expert advice or assistance," or "personnel." The ACLU's filing asserts that "each of these terms is vague, sweeping, and potentially proscribes a wide range of speech and advocacy that is protected by the First Amendment."

The brief was joined by nine groups who emphatically oppose terrorism, but whose peace-making, conflict resolution, human rights advocacy and aid provision to needy civilians sometimes requires direct engagement with groups and individuals that resort to or support violence, including some that are, have been or might in the future be designated as FTOs.

The vague material support law potentially criminalizes the groups' efforts to convince armed actors to choose non-violent means to achieve their ends, to support peace processes or to explain to perpetrators of human rights abuses their obligations under international law and persuade them to cease their rights-violating practices. The vague material support law also has grave implications for the provision of humanitarian aid, disaster relief and development efforts in conflict zones where designated groups may operate or even control the area.

"The government should not be in the business of criminalizing speech that furthers humanitarian ends," said Steven R. Shapiro, ACLU Legal Director. "No one should face the threat of prison for exercising their First Amendment rights in order to further peace, promote human rights and provide humanitarian aid around the world."

The ACLU filed the brief on behalf of the Carter Center, Christian Peacemaker Teams, Grassroots International, Human Rights Watch, International Crisis Group, the Institute for Conflict Analysis and Resolution at George Mason University, the Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies at Notre Dame University, Operation USA and the Peace Appeal Foundation.

In addition to Shapiro and Goodman, attorneys on the brief are Jameel Jaffer and Larry Schwartztol of the ACLU National Security Project.

DoomRulz

Quote from: The PredBen on Apr 29, 2011, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 29, 2011, 02:03:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 28, 2011, 06:38:38 AM
Neither Doom nor I are "most Americans'.

Or indeed Americans at all.

I thought it was common knowledge that the US government has been sticking their noses into the politics of other countries when it suited them for yonks.



Quote from: Horhey on Apr 28, 2011, 07:21:49 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 28, 2011, 06:38:38 AM
Neither Doom nor I are "most Americans'.

Or indeed Americans at all.

I thought it was common knowledge that the US government has been sticking their noses into the politics of other countries when it suited them for yonks.

Im just going by polling data on public opinion.

How many Americans you think know half of their tax dollars go towards the Israeli army? Exactly.

Most do.

Prove that to me.

maledoro

About the same amount who realize that if you remove the first "y" in "tyranny" it spells "tranny".

DoomRulz

I don't think it's very many, truthfully.

maledoro

Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2011, 12:03:10 AM
I don't think it's very many, truthfully.
Me, neither.

The PredBen


maledoro

All of the websites needed to tell us what I already know. My favorite website name: www.ifamericansknew.org

The PredBen

The PredBen

#338
With all due respect I think most Americans understand whats going on there.

EDIT - Sorry for not giving a real answer. I guess most Americans don't know the numbers we see on that website.

maledoro

Quote from: The PredBen on May 02, 2011, 01:30:48 AM
With all due respect I think most Americans understand whats going on there.
"Buncha jewboys an' ragheads shootin' the shit outta each other. Tha's all..."

I can't remember which forum this took place on, but someone actually believed that the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan were between Muslims and Jews; even after I had explained the Shiites and the Sunni to them.

The PredBen

Quote from: maledoro on May 02, 2011, 01:42:03 AM
Quote from: The PredBen on May 02, 2011, 01:30:48 AM
With all due respect I think most Americans understand whats going on there.
"Buncha jewboys an' ragheads shootin' the shit outta each other. Tha's all..."

I can't remember which forum this took place on, but someone actually believed that the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan were between Muslims and Jews; even after I had explained the Shiites and the Sunni to them.

Oh lol I guess a lot don't know whats going on then. It's just my family and friends do know. And a lot of people in my area are up to date on knowledge. So perhaps I was judging America from my city lol.

DoomRulz

Where do you live?

The PredBen


Horhey

Horhey

#343
Quote from: The PredBen on May 02, 2011, 11:48:46 AM
Massachusetts.

That explains it. People there are usually more astute on these issues. The home of Noam Chomsky, who is "arguably the most important intellectual alive" (the New York Times).


A List of Governments (mostly democracies) overthrown by the United States

A List of Governments Overthrown by the US

US Document: "COUNTERING CHAVEZ AND REASSERTING U.S. LEADERSHIP IN THE REGION"

The Empire is apparently preparing to use it's traditional measures to rid itself of the 22th "cancer" in our hemisphere before the "infection" spreads to even more of it's "Third World domains".



Wikileaks has obtained secret documents, authored by current Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, Craig Kelly, and sent by the US Embassy in Santiago to the Secretary of State, CIA and Southern Command of the Pentagon, along with a series of other US embassies in the region. Kelly was the so called leading "mediator" during Washington's military coup in Honduras against President Zelaya in 2009.

The document states the following:

QuoteA SOUTHERN CONE PERSPECTIVE ON COUNTERING CHAVEZ AND REASSERTING U.S. LEADERSHIP

REF: ASUNCION 396 Classified By: AMBASSADOR CRAIG KELLY; Reasons 1.4(b), (d)

------- Summary -------

This, part two in a series of joint cables from Southern Cone embassies, looks at ways the U.S. can counter Chavez and reassert U.S. leadership in the region.

From posts' perspectives, there are six main areas of action for the USG as it seeks to limit Chavez's influence: --Know the enemy: We have to better understand how Chavez thinks and what he intends; --Directly engage: We must reassert our presence in the region ; --Enhance military relationships: We should continue to strengthen ties to those military leaders in the region who share our concern over Chavez;

--Play to our strength: We must emphasize that democracy, and a free trade approach that includes corporate social responsibility, provides lasting solutions; --Get the message out: Public diplomacy is key; this is a battle of ideas and visions. Septel provides detailed suggestions. 2. (C) We should neither underestimate Chavez nor lose sight of his vulnerabilities.

-------------- Know Thy Enemy --------------

To effectively counter the threat he represents, we need to know better his objectives and how he intends to pursue them. This requires better intelligence in all of our countries.

------------------------------ Change the Political Landscape ------------------------------

Chile offers another excellent alternative to Chavez. FM Foxley seeks to integrate Chile more fully into the global economy.

Chile has not only stated but demonstrated -- e.g. Bachelet"s letter to House leader Nancy Pelosi expressing Chilean support for congressional ratification of FTAs with Peru, Colombia, and Panama -- its willingness to help bring along other Latin American countries into the global economy.

We should look to find other ways to give Chile the lead on important initiatives, but without making them look like they are our puppets or surrogates.

( C) With regard to Mercosur, we should not be timid in stating that Venezuela"s membership will torpedo U.S. interest in even considering direct negotiations with the trading bloc,

----------------------------- Play to our Mil-Mil Advantage -----------------------------

¶10. (C) Southern Cone militaries remain key institutions in their respective countries and important allies for the U.S. These militaries are generally organized and technically competent. Their desire to maintain interoperability, access to U.S. technology and training are something we can turn to our advantage. As they seek to modernize, professionalize, and transform, they seek closer relations with the US to assist in those processes.

Over the past several years we have seen a steady decrease in funds for critical programs such as International Military Education and Training (IMET) and traditional Commander Activities (TCA) and the elimination of other important programs such as Foreign Military Financing (FMF) and Excess Defense Articles (EDA) due to sanctions under ASPA.

To effectively maintain our mil-to-mil relations and guide pol-mil events in the region in support of our interests, we must reverse the slide. Now is precisely the time we need to be increasing our pol-mil engagement and programs vice decreasing and limiting them. We also need to revisit some long-held and frankly rigid positions on SOFA agreements and insistence on certain privileges and immunities with a view to gaining flexibility to negotiate new defense cooperation agreements with regional militaries.

-------------------------- Stress Our Winning Formula --------------------------

¶12. (C) Chavez has made significant inroads, particularly with local populations, by providing programs for the underprivileged and by casting the U.S. as elitist and only interested in promoting free trade to the benefit of big business. The slogans are facile: Neoliberalism makes the rich richer and the poor poorer; the Bolivarian Revolution guarantees our region's sovereignty and dignity. But they ring true with some local populations and make others feel better about their own lack of progress.

¶13. (C) Transforming our image does not mean we walk away from our commitment to free trade and the promise it delivers to impoverished populations. However, it does mean we should do a better job of promoting free trade by pointing to local and global success stories, making it easier to forge FTAs, and by expanding access to U.S. markets, and by promoting investment. Concluding the Doha Round is critical to revitalizing more local trade negotiations and bolstering our own credibility.

------- COMMENT -------

Add to that the bluster of his anti-imperial, anti-U.S. rhetoric, and a certain squirrelly charisma, both of which continue to find a sympathetic audience in much of Latin America, and he presents a formidable foe. But he certainly can be taken.



QuoteWikileaks: Documents Confirm US Plans Against Venezuela

By Eva Golinger. The Chávez Code
The Chávez Code
Friday, Dec 17, 2010

State Department documents published by Wikileaks evidence Washington's plans to "contain" Venezuela's influence in the region and increase efforts to provoke regime change



US Backed Kopassus Target Civillians
Kopassus-US ties - secret documents
Kopassus-US ties - secret documents

Leaked Kopassus documents reveal that one of Washington's favorite death squads, the Kopassus have been targeting churches and killing tens of thousands of civillians in West Papua Indonesia. The Obama administration resumed military aid to the Kopassus in July 2010. Aid to the Koppassus had been banned by Congress after their US-backed large scale massacres in East Timor in the 1990's.

Leaked Kopassus Document

Leaked Kopassus Document

QuoteAs Obama Lands in Indonesia

US-Backed Death Squad Files Surface

By ALLAN NAIRN

Jakarta

Secret documents have leaked from inside Kopassus, Indonesia's red berets, which say that Indonesia's US-backed security forces engage in "murder [and] abduction" and show that Kopassus targets churches in West Papua and defines civilian dissidents as the "enemy."

SM

It's not news that the Indonesians have been shitting on West Papuans for a long time.  Probably similar to how they did on the East Timorese, which was supported by the US and Australia (filthy f**king sellouts that we are).

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