'The Classic Alien Won't Appear In Ridley Scott's Prequels At All' -Io9.com

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'The Classic Alien Won't Appear In Ridley Scott's Prequels At All' -Io9.com (Read 21,180 times)

MadassAlex

All the good ones are borderline pornography anyway.

Xenomorphine

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 28, 2010, 05:03:38 PM
Quite positive he only said he was thinking of re-designing the early stages. Whatever that meant.

"The alien in a sense, as a shape, is worn out."

He's said for several years that if he ever did another film, he'd want to completely redesign all of it.

Personally, I don't have any issue with something even nastier being found in the chamber. Back when I was messing around with coming up with a partial prequel to 'Aliens', about the story of Hadley's Hope before those tragic events (this was in the nineties), we decided to imply that the part with the eggs in it was just one part of the chamber, because we liked how the original scene implied the place could have gone on for miles as it rounded the corner.

So, for me, that works. There's no reason why the Alien should have been the only thing in there. In one of the film novelisations there's actually a character who raises the idea that the Alien could be like the mice of their original world, which I always thought would be a very thought-provoking ideal if raised in an actual future film.

The problem is that, as shown by the 'Newborn' and 'Predalien', if what the story tries to imply as being more vicious and disturbing than the original design, turns out to be crappier, it's a huge anti-climax! Because the film is a part of an established series, the viewer would feel disappointed and begin comparing it with the originals and it woudl generate lots of negative publicity.

So, yeah, it could work. The thing is, it would be a gamble.

Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Apr 30, 2010, 01:57:52 AM
Like Scott said, he has to out do Cameron's aliens.

He really doesn't. Especially by this point, where people would be grateful for it to even be at the same level as the first or second film.

Quote from: Blacklabel on May 02, 2010, 05:02:45 AM
Really hope the alien redesign is similar to the unused ones Giger had done for Alien3... those were badass 8)

I personally disliked them. He did much better stuff for 'Species'. The panther-like creature with blades between its fingers, really didn't work for me.

Quote from: Politikon on May 03, 2010, 11:29:59 PM
Any professional level writer would know this doesn't work. I have worked in the writing dept on Feature Films and TV AT THE GROUND LEVEL and the idea that someone who is a published author wouldn't know they wont even open a transcript is absurd. Aspiring or Professional. Unless he was aspiring as in dreaming and 13 years old.

As a writer, myself, this is not absurd. Professionals do not open them, sopecifically because of legal difficulties, unless the stuff's requested.

If you're lucky, you'll get it returned with a small nick in the envelope where the secretary or whoever has looked inside to make sure it is what it is. Otherwise, it'll get discarded.

An examples of why this happens to be, is that, in the nineties, someone was going around and boasting he was going to send Cameron his script for 'Terminator 3', knowing fully well that it wouldn't be made, but with the logic that, by the time Cameron did make one (when people all thought that it was inevitable), he could sue the guy and claim various elements were all in his script. The moment a company opens and looks at a script, they're wide open for any legal challenge along those lines in the future.

Even if they somehow win the case, they're still going to need to pay lawyers money and it'll take up time. It's never worth it.

That's why you always write a cover letter, first, asking if they're interested at looking at your stuff and what amounts to a miniature contract which basically allows them out of any such legal tangles. If - and only if - they say yes and you've both signed that sort of documentation, will they look at it.

In the above case, I think it's fair to say it just got binned.

That's the trouble with companies who publish artistic material from writers. Most submissions they get don't follow the right procedure! About 90% of what they get, if that, is just chucked away. They could have a masterpiece, but they won't open it.

And, seeing as the company weren't making such a film, even if such a letter had first been sent their way, they'd have just said something to that effect in a reply. At most, possibly said, hey, we're not doing this, but you happen to have caught us at a time when we're accepting stuff from outside writers - send us some original material.

Federick Gonsa

Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 11, 2010, 08:28:29 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 28, 2010, 05:03:38 PM
Quite positive he only said he was thinking of re-designing the early stages. Whatever that meant.

"The alien in a sense, as a shape, is worn out."

He's said for several years that if he ever did another film, he'd want to completely redesign all of it.

Personally, I don't have any issue with something even nastier being found in the chamber. Back when I was messing around with coming up with a partial prequel to 'Aliens', about the story of Hadley's Hope before those tragic events (this was in the nineties), we decided to imply that the part with the eggs in it was just one part of the chamber, because we liked how the original scene implied the place could have gone on for miles as it rounded the corner.

So, for me, that works. There's no reason why the Alien should have been the only thing in there. In one of the film novelisations there's actually a character who raises the idea that the Alien could be like the mice of their original world, which I always thought would be a very thought-provoking ideal if raised in an actual future film.

The problem is that, as shown by the 'Newborn' and 'Predalien', if what the story tries to imply as being more vicious and disturbing than the original design, turns out to be crappier, it's a huge anti-climax! Because the film is a part of an established series, the viewer would feel disappointed and begin comparing it with the originals and it woudl generate lots of negative publicity.

So, yeah, it could work. The thing is, it would be a gamble.

Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Apr 30, 2010, 01:57:52 AM
Like Scott said, he has to out do Cameron's aliens.

He really doesn't. Especially by this point, where people would be grateful for it to even be at the same level as the first or second film.

Quote from: Blacklabel on May 02, 2010, 05:02:45 AM
Really hope the alien redesign is similar to the unused ones Giger had done for Alien3... those were badass 8)

I personally disliked them. He did much better stuff for 'Species'. The panther-like creature with blades between its fingers, really didn't work for me.

Quote from: Politikon on May 03, 2010, 11:29:59 PM
Any professional level writer would know this doesn't work. I have worked in the writing dept on Feature Films and TV AT THE GROUND LEVEL and the idea that someone who is a published author wouldn't know they wont even open a transcript is absurd. Aspiring or Professional. Unless he was aspiring as in dreaming and 13 years old.

As a writer, myself, this is not absurd. Professionals do not open them, sopecifically because of legal difficulties, unless the stuff's requested.

If you're lucky, you'll get it returned with a small nick in the envelope where the secretary or whoever has looked inside to make sure it is what it is. Otherwise, it'll get discarded.

An examples of why this happens to be, is that, in the nineties, someone was going around and boasting he was going to send Cameron his script for 'Terminator 3', knowing fully well that it wouldn't be made, but with the logic that, by the time Cameron did make one (when people all thought that it was inevitable), he could sue the guy and claim various elements were all in his script. The moment a company opens and looks at a script, they're wide open for any legal challenge along those lines in the future.

Even if they somehow win the case, they're still going to need to pay lawyers money and it'll take up time. It's never worth it.

That's why you always write a cover letter, first, asking if they're interested at looking at your stuff and what amounts to a miniature contract which basically allows them out of any such legal tangles. If - and only if - they say yes and you've both signed that sort of documentation, will they look at it.

In the above case, I think it's fair to say it just got binned.

That's the trouble with companies who publish artistic material from writers. Most submissions they get don't follow the right procedure! About 90% of what they get, if that, is just chucked away. They could have a masterpiece, but they won't open it.

And, seeing as the company weren't making such a film, even if such a letter had first been sent their way, they'd have just said something to that effect in a reply. At most, possibly said, hey, we're not doing this, but you happen to have caught us at a time when we're accepting stuff from outside writers - send us some original material.

I did not say that Scott has to out do Cameron. Ridley Scott said it himself in a recent interview, So if the man himself says he has to out do Cameron, why do you question that?

Valaquen


Federick Gonsa

Federick Gonsa

#139
Quote from: Valaquen on May 11, 2010, 04:45:46 PM
Which interview?

One of the various recent interviews. I don't remeber the specific site that did the interview and I don't have to. I assume that everyone read the interviews in their own free time. I am not gonna spend my time to search for what I already read (there are too many of those interviews already, and searching for that specific one would take me time). If you want to see it with your own eyes though, read all the interviews released recently. He makes a comment like, "I can't let him (Cameron) out do me" (I am quoting verbatum here). Something of the sort.

*EDIT*   I made a brief search on this site, and I found the llink fairly quick. So here you go:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8644051.stm

Ridley says:

Quote"Jim's raised the bar and I've got to jump to it," said the 72-year-old. "He's not going to get away with it."

J-Syxx

Quote from: Federick Gonsa on May 11, 2010, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on May 11, 2010, 04:45:46 PM
Which interview?

One of the various recent interviews. I don't remeber the specific site that did the interview and I don't have to. I assume that everyone read the interviews in their own free time. I am not gonna spend my time to search for what I already read (there are too many of those interviews already, and searching for that specific one would take me time). If you want to see it with your own eyes though, read all the interviews released recently. He makes a comment like, "I can't let him (Cameron) out do me" (I am quoting verbatum here). Something of the sort.

*EDIT*   I made a brief search on this site, and I found the llink fairly quick. So here you go:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8644051.stm

Ridley says:

Quote"Jim's raised the bar and I've got to jump to it," said the 72-year-old. "He's not going to get away with it."

Yeah, that interview suggests he was talking about outdoing Avatar not Aliens, so you said something kind of baseless.  I'm sure if he was referring to Aliens, the interviewer would've picked up on that:

QuoteDirector Sir Ridley Scott has revealed that his 3D Alien prequel will be "really nasty" and will respond to the standard set by James Cameron's Avatar.

Spaghetti

Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 11, 2010, 08:28:29 AM
I personally disliked them. He did much better stuff for 'Species'. The panther-like creature with blades between its fingers, really didn't work for me.


Dammit. Am I the only one who liked Giger's panther xeno? Everywhere i turn peeps seem to hate it.

I thought the retractable claws between it's fingers was a cool idea.

SM

I liked it okay - it's just I prefer the tailpipes.

Sabres21768

Quote from: Spaghetti on May 12, 2010, 06:29:49 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 11, 2010, 08:28:29 AM
I personally disliked them. He did much better stuff for 'Species'. The panther-like creature with blades between its fingers, really didn't work for me.


Dammit. Am I the only one who liked Giger's panther xeno? Everywhere i turn peeps seem to hate it.

I thought the retractable claws between it's fingers was a cool idea.

Nope, you're not the only one.

I liked that design alot.  ;)

OmegaZilla

Only problem I have with the "Panther Alien" are those Inter-falange Claws. Too much Wolverine-ish IMHO.

Federick Gonsa

Federick Gonsa

#145
Quote from: J-Syxx on May 12, 2010, 02:53:38 AM
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on May 11, 2010, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on May 11, 2010, 04:45:46 PM
Which interview?

One of the various recent interviews. I don't remeber the specific site that did the interview and I don't have to. I assume that everyone read the interviews in their own free time. I am not gonna spend my time to search for what I already read (there are too many of those interviews already, and searching for that specific one would take me time). If you want to see it with your own eyes though, read all the interviews released recently. He makes a comment like, "I can't let him (Cameron) out do me" (I am quoting verbatum here). Something of the sort.

*EDIT*   I made a brief search on this site, and I found the llink fairly quick. So here you go:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8644051.stm

Ridley says:

Quote"Jim's raised the bar and I've got to jump to it," said the 72-year-old. "He's not going to get away with it."

Yeah, that interview suggests he was talking about outdoing Avatar not Aliens, so you said something kind of baseless.  I'm sure if he was referring to Aliens, the interviewer would've picked up on that:

QuoteDirector Sir Ridley Scott has revealed that his 3D Alien prequel will be "really nasty" and will respond to the standard set by James Cameron's Avatar.

My point still remains. Ridley says he has to do better than Cameron. When I first said that comment days ago, I meant it in the context of Avatar (it was fresher in my memory). If you check my original post in the matter, the previous post is talking about avatar  :P . The second time I did not remembered why I said it, I assumed it was because of alienS (I dont always have the time to re-read an entire thread before posting). My point when I said that days a go, is that Ridley wants, and feels like he has to do much better than Cameron in terms of directing, technology, and inventing something new (in this case he was thinking of avatar) Avatar was more than a Sy Fy movie. It was an Epic with state of the art special effects. I think that the prequel is going to be more than a regular horror Sy Fy Movie or it would not be able to compete with Avatar. So Ridley said that he has to do better than Cameron, not me. whether he meant aliens (which he did not) or avatar (which he meant), it does not matter, my original point remains and his words reign supreme on the matter. The prequel wont be just another Alien movie (horror Sy Fy), it has to do better than Cameron's Avatar (Epic Sy Fy movie with state of the art visual effects). Whether you agree with that, I don't really care.

Mus


OmegaZilla

Shortening for Science Fiction, used to call that Channel, Sy-Fy.

SiL

It's 'sci-fi'.

The Sci-fi channel renamed itself to reflect the growing number of fantasy stories it was producing.

RazorSlash

The facehugger could be redesigned in my opinion, audiences aren't creeped out by it as they used to be. As for the chestburster, I'd give it longer arms and the warrior/drone "cap" on its head.

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