'The Classic Alien Won't Appear In Ridley Scott's Prequels At All' -Io9.com

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SiL

Slasher movies need titties, cos slasher movies ain't nothin' but gore and titties. Remove the titties and you better hope you have a good plot.

Federick Gonsa

Quote from: SiL on May 08, 2010, 04:32:30 AM
Slasher movies need titties, cos slasher movies ain't nothin' but gore and titties. Remove the titties and you better hope you have a good plot.

Amen. By the way, I was lmao at your space trucker comment. Good point though.

SpaceMarines

Quote from: SiL on May 08, 2010, 04:28:22 AM
It's like saying the next movie should get really involved in the idea of space truckers stopping off at souvenir stores and buying shit like khakis and drinky birds, because that's the kind of thing Ridley had in mind for his universe when he made Alien.

No, seriously - Listen to the 20th anniversary DVD, that shit is in there.

But I want to see the origins of the drinky bird!

SiL

If everything Ridley Scott mused about got into a prequel it'd be ninety minutes of two guys f**king each other at the counter of a planetoid-side souvenir stand buying drinky-birds and khakis while an Alien had sex with a woman in the corner then tore off her head and spoke in her voice while maggots in its head tripped the f**k out on LSD.


XenoVC


SpaceMarines

Quote from: SiL on May 08, 2010, 05:24:52 AM
If everything Ridley Scott mused about got into a prequel it'd be ninety minutes of two guys f**king each other at the counter of a planetoid-side souvenir stand buying drinky-birds and khakis while an Alien had sex with a woman in the corner then tore off her head and spoke in her voice while maggots in its head tripped the f**k out on LSD.

I'd see that.

MadassAlex

Quote from: SiL on May 08, 2010, 05:24:52 AM
maggots in its head tripped the f**k out on LSD.

This is the idea that should make it in.

Hive Tyrant

Quote from: SiL on May 08, 2010, 05:24:52 AM
If everything Ridley Scott mused about got into a prequel it'd be ninety minutes of two guys f**king each other at the counter of a planetoid-side souvenir stand buying drinky-birds and khakis while an Alien had sex with a woman in the corner then tore off her head and spoke in her voice while maggots in its head tripped the f**k out on LSD.

I think I've seen a porn movie like that.

Dark Jester

Quote from: SiL on May 08, 2010, 05:24:52 AM
If everything Ridley Scott mused about got into a prequel it'd be ninety minutes of two guys f**king each other at the counter of a planetoid-side souvenir stand buying drinky-birds and khakis while an Alien had sex with a woman in the corner then tore off her head and spoke in her voice while maggots in its head tripped the f**k out on LSD.

And the Oscar for Best Original Screenplay goes to....

OmegaZilla

...Surely not this film.

J-Syxx

QuoteThe Alien's implicit sexuality is paramount importance. It has to be the driving sexual force of the film, because sex is essentially the point of the Alien. If we have the other characters happily bonking tonks while the Alien's running around somewhere else, we're undermining a significant part of what makes the Alien relevant. It works like this:

When Kane got facehugged, we didn't know what the hell was going on. Something was attached to his face, and, uh, it was feeding him oxygen. Why would it do that?

'Cause it was mating with him, essentially. We don't realise this until the chestburster bursts, and it's a part of why that scene is a go-to example of brilliant horror. It wasn't just gory and brutal; it was a realisation. In that moment, everything suddenly made sense amidst the blood and broken bones.  Kane had been raped by the facehugger and forced to bear its young. And then his child had killed him.

It's a complete perversion of human pregnancy and our social sense of sexuality. A man being raped and made pregnant just turns the world upside down.

So the Alien is an ultramasculine force that destroys the masculinity of the other characters through the nature of its being.

And that means no sex. It means no sex because that would undermine the horror of the creature. Since if people are able to function sexually while it's active and they know of its existence, then the creature has failed and the horror has failed.
Quote^They could show a sex scene early on in the movie to show contrast. I think actually makes sense.

Yeah exactly.  I'm still not getting how actual sex early in the movie invalidates the sexual symbolism comes later.  It doesn't.  It maybe changes the themes perhaps, but it's nothing that couldn't' be intelligently integrated.  You should also realize that the prequel is not going to be a remake, it's a different story, so things will be approached differently.

QuoteI agree completely. Sex scenes are done purely to draw movie goers, generate controversy, or fill run time. Sex sells in different forms and the studios know it. I do not like how movies and more recently video games are wasting time and resources to incorporate sex scenes in their games, when clearly they are inserted for publicity and not for story telling or artistic purposes. I hope that Alien does not go that route.

Honestly, this is a bunch of bunk.  In horror and thrillers violence and sex are intertwined as they are in the real world.  Just pointing out shitty titty scenes in Firday the 13th Part 4 for instance doesn't invalidate the nudity or sex in other films that used it correctly.  A serial killer is a sexual predator, giving him voyeuristic tendencies or having him seek out people who have sex makes sense.

In films where romance is importanct, the sex is used to show intimacy.  Unless you guys are Catholic priests, I don't see what you could possibly find wrong with that as being portrayed as part of a relationship. 

Also I really don't have problems with sex existing in film as part of the entertainment factor.  Some movies are just meant as mindless entertainment, so why not?  Obviously I don't include fine pieces of art like Alien in that fold, but I don't let myself resent seeing things that should be pleasant because of some deep seeded sexual taboos created by religion for its own purposes.  Judging everything by the same standards though is pretty damn pretentious.  If you're holding a videogame about shooting people to the same standards as Citizen Kane, there's a good possibility you probalby need to get a life.

MadassAlex

Also, sex scenes are boring.

SiL

QuoteI don't see what you could possibly find wrong with that as being portrayed as part of a relationship.
You really, really need to read the script to see why we have an issue with it.

It's not to strengthen a relationship or any such thing. They're being mind-controlled by Space Jockeys.

There's also the fact no-one here's saying sex in movies is bad, period. We're saying sex in Alien movies is grossly unnecessary. Huge difference.

Quote from: MadassAlex on May 09, 2010, 01:04:19 AM
Also, sex scenes are boring.
This too.

MadassAlex

Except when it's borderline porn anyway, and then it's just in an inefficient context.

OmegaZilla

Quote from: MadassAlex on May 09, 2010, 01:04:19 AM
Also, sex scenes are boring.
QFT. Especially Gay ones. :|

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