Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 28, 2010, 07:23:42 PM
Quote*They believe in a hunter god and they honor their god by preforming rituals while hunting.
Mostly I agree. I think there's some mystichal and ritual atmosphere around the hunt they keep and have. Not necessarily a god, and changing by clan. But anyhow, I agree.
Them believing in a god comes from the comics, but I haven't found anything in the movies that contradicts the idea, so that's why I put it down, it's my take of a submerged comic and movie verse.
QuoteQuote*When it comes to them being hunters hunting, they can be described as fanatics.
I said what I think about being fanatism. Maybe I said before, but I think all that drives them is strenght imo. They won't give up from that. They kill themselves if they can't be the hunters anyomore. I think what you call fanatism, I call strict clinging to values.
Yeah, you got a point. The thing is that I'm not sure that "fanatic" is the right word to use,
What's the difference between a fanatic and a fundamentalist?
QuoteQuote*They got a code of honor, caught breaking that code will give the hunter the title "Bad Blood"
*Bad Blood's have to be hunted down and killed on sight, no thropys are allowed to be taken.
*Majority of the Predators call themselves Yautja, those who doesn't are considered being Bad Bloods.
The code of honor for me is nothing more than a different way of thinking combined with rules. But I don't need to say it here, I think I told how I think before in this thread. But I think before becoming a bad blood, they go through some judgement. And if they oppose, they become one for sure (doesn't mean they won't become at the end of judgement). Not like human judgements, just the leader decides, very quickly.
Well, for me a "Bad Blood" is a Predator who rebels...Like it don't care if it's season, it still hunts.
It won't have any problem with killing or hunting it's own kind, it wouldn't activate the wristbomb if it felt like it has become the prey during a hunt, it doesn't care about the if the prey show that it has fight or not, like the girl would have been killed among with the Jamaicans in the Penthouse scene (Predator 2) and it would claim the kill of the Colombian who it didn't kill.
QuoteQuote*A Predator doesn't have years to describe his age, he uses hunts.
The "older" a Predator get's, the more influence he has over younger Predators,
like the oldest one will be the one who is calling the shots.
I rather think trophies. I see their society devoted to the before mentioned strenght, and according to this a stronger member can change the 'older' one, if he proves himself, but for this he has to defeat him.
I agree mostly about the trophies, though I think what they hunt, they keep. they live in the hunt, and the hunt is with them all the time. Their whole life is tribute to it, so no other tributes are needed. As I see them nomadic, declared hunting grounds isn't necessarry imo.
Hmm, I think about it like this, if Anytime would have won over Dutch and collected the trophy, then Anytime would be one hunt older...
QuoteQuote*There are no such thing as a fair fight, it's a hunt, it's kill or be killed,
if a Predator can manipulate the "rules" to his advantage he will do it.
Kind of. But they always seek the most dangerous prey imo, they accidentally make their demise more possible. Since equal footing doesn't exist, assuming a creature that devotes his life to defeating other beings isn't okay. Like in the duel between the hunter and Dutch. The hunter just made Dutch more capable of defeating him (it doesn't mean Dutch could kill him with bare hands now, but it was evidently easier than if the hunter had it's advanced weaponary). But Dutch wasn't near the level of the hunter, and both of them knew that.
I always seen the unmasking as something other than the Predator manipulating the odds,
I see the unmasking as a way for the Predator to finish the hunt, the only ones watching, are him, his prey and those who have taken the journey to the other side...I also see the unmasking as a tribute to the first Predators who hunted and are long gone, these Predators must have hunted with minimal gear. Like no masks, plasma casters etc...
QuoteQuote*They think themselves being superior species, the title Hunter is their birth right, only theirs,
all other species are either nothing or prey.
The title is a birthrght, but I think they are clear on the roles during the hunt. We kinda disagree here, I know, but okay.
The hunter and Prey roles have both been seen in comics and movies, but the "nothing" role haven't got much time in the movies. Only one scene, it's the "spare the woman cause she's pregnant scene", killing the woman could kill the baby inside of her...that baby has the "nothing" title...it's doesn't count as game.
QuoteQuote*They got a big ego, Easy killings feeds that ego to the point that it makes them often overconfident.
I don't think they go in for easy kills. At least not intentionally. I'm not sure about their ego, must change by person. I wouldn't anything about ego as a species. Though I think they are hastily decide sometimes if they have won. Like in the movies.
You missunderstood me...With each kill during a hunt the Predators ego grows alittlebit bigger, this can be seen both with Anytime and Pussyface cause they take bigger risks, getting closer towards their selected prey, yes they seek the challenge but the challenge goes hand in hand with their ego or confidence, from start they take the long ranged approach then they start closing in...
QuoteQuote*If the Predator would have been better keeping his cool while hunting,
there would be alot more elders around.
One elder per group I think. Even if every pred would keep their cool all the time, there would be only one elder. I think it depends on who is the strongest (by the way, by strenght I don't mean only physichal strenght, but experience, characteristics etc. I mean I imagine for them keeping one's cool is strenght). And since nature won't give abilities equally, not everyone will be able to become an elder.
I think that Pussyface would have survived if he kept his cool, he went in too fast for the kill, he might have thought that Harrigan was done cause he owned him and that cost him his life...
QuoteWhat I'd like to add. I see them individuals to the end. Even in clans, what it counts is themselves. They mostly do their stuff on their own. I also think the rules change (as art etc) from clan to clan, it's obvious for me. And even hunters change sometimes the rules in themselves, according to their character. But those are just minor things. I think their rules come from their behaviour. It's not like with humans, that we have rules because we somehow want to live in society (I see it like that), but they have their rules because they are what they are. In these rules (or unwritten law, imo) they define themselves, they define the species. This way they won't break it most of the time. And as I said, the most important aspect in their behaviour is looking for strong prey, they won't kill weaklings. Not because of mercy, or whatever, but for they don't want to.
Okay, it's a huge wall of text now. Sorry for the long quote part, but as so was as kind to summarize your opinion point by point, I though it would be fair to answer to most of them. Just ignore it if you wish. And more importantly, I'm not criticize it. I'm just telling my opinion And thanks for yours
I'm actually glad that we're able to talk about this without being rude and insulting because our opinions doesn't go hand in hand all of the time. I've got the greatest respect for you.
one thing that's crossed my mind about the Predator, it's culture, rules and values is this:
I, myself is born in former Yugoslavia, I have lived in Sweden almost all my life, for me it has become important to keep my Yugoslavian values and traditions alive here in Sweden, it makes me feel more complete as a human, more proud of my heritage.
I useally go back to Serbia on holidays, during the summer, to meet family and old friends but it ain't like before, Serbia ain't like Yugoslavia used to be.
And that makes my Yugoslavian values even more important.
Maybe it's a similar thing for the Predators, living their life on ships, going from one hunt to the next...
Maybe they sometimes go back, but it ain't like before, it ain't like the memories or stories, the stories told to the young Predator about glorious hunts from the past, on the homeworld.
So the young Predator might feel like it's important to keep that old culture and it's values alive before they are lost forever, and living by them might make them feel like that they aren't so far away, so far away from home when they go hunting... on earth.
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 28, 2010, 09:31:34 PM
@Milan, @yeyinde..
Guys, I just wanna say - impressive work and impressive summary. Both of you. I have nothing to add...
...except that I 100% agree with yeyinde.
If you're agreeing a 100% with yeyinde's opinions then you're agreeing with 95 % of mine
I'm glad to hear that. Thanks
Do you have any take on the "old school Predator", do you think he'll have an important role for how the future movies will look?