Quote from: Master on Mar 17, 2010, 01:54:55 PM
No, please. You started disscusion so come on, let`s continue it. I gave you arguments, and I hope that you`ll give me arguments in return. No clans nor spears, discs etc. were hinted in P1 and I just want to know where you found possibility for their existence excluding P2 of course.
That's cool; I'm up for an adult debate
I hope you have the time and patience the read all of what follows:
Ok, I disagree that no clans were hinted at in P1. Key word being "hint"! As I mentioned earlier, who dropped off anytime on Earth at the start of the movie? Yes, it can be argued that the ship was on autopilot controlled by Anytime himself but it can also equally be argued that he was dropped off by another Predator. I agree, both are speculation but are it not painfully obvious that an intelligent creature like Anytime with its array of sophisticated weaponry and technology must originate from a greater civilisation? In addition, it was established in P1 that Anytime was a hunter and hunters are often associated with clans or hang about in small tribes. Yes this is example based on human society but that is the only example I have since I don't know any other intelligent species comparable to the Predators
Everything that I say above is speculation. I agree with you but was it not this speculation and small hints in P1 that gave the creators of P2 the foundations to build upon and develop the "Predator clan" idea that they depicted. I was not born when Predator (87) was released but I did see it long before I saw P2 and the points that I have discussed are the hints and subsequent ideas that I got from the original movie. Therefore is it not possible that the creators of P2 experienced the same thing?
In regards to the weapons, I agree the creators of P2 have full ownership of the disc since it's not a common tool used by hunters. However, I have to disagree in regards to the spear and net. Yes, I agree the creators of P2 were the first to depict Predators using spears and nets but does that give them the right to claim ownership of that idea and take credit for it? Both weapons are commonly used by hunters and since it was established in P1 that Predators are hunters it does not take much imagination to assume that they could also use "spears" and "nets" when hunting prey. The creators of P2 merely went down one of many obvious routes in regards to weapons used by hunters. You never know, they may have even considered Pussyface to have a hunting dog or falcon! This leads me to RR and his Predators that use hunting dogs and falcons, once again both of which are tools often used by many hunters so RR can also not stake claim to inventing the "Predators using dogs and falcons" idea since they, like the spear and the net, are common tools used by hunters. RR, like the creators of P2, went down one of many obvious routes in regards to new weapons and tools that a hunter(s) can use. Neither have right to claim ownership since beyond the "alien spin" on the ideas non are exactly revolutionary or original tools that a hunter can possibly use.
I hope you can understand what I'm trying to say and why I believe that Predator 2 did not contribute anything special to the franchise and hence RR has no reason to acknowledge it.
