All Star Trek

Started by Shasvre, Jan 09, 2010, 09:26:47 PM

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Vermillion

Vermillion

#2580
Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2018, 12:58:53 AM
Make the premise a sequel to Conspiracy.
Awesome episode!  Violent and never finished.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#2581
Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2018, 12:47:42 AM
Much as I dig Stewart, I often found TNG to be a bit dull.  I hope they have him a bit angrier.

More like Leodegrance of Cameliard or Gurney Halleck?

SM

SM

#2582
I'd settle even just for a bit more First Contact toy spaceship smashing.  Bitter and burned out because he couldn't help Spock save Romulus, which resulted in Spock's death.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#2583
How about Tommy Gun on the holodeck rage?

SM

SM

#2584
Bit too OTT to maintain.

OpenMaw

OpenMaw

#2585
We've already got the Star Trek show where everyone gets violently murdered raped mutilated and tortured.

It'd be great to have a "nice" show in the Star Trek universe again for a change. Voyager spent a lot of its time being tepid and dark and action focused. Enterprise had space 9/11. DS9, the only show to really successfully pull the dark angle, and Discovery spends most of its time being all about as much edge as it can find. Torture, rape, mass destruction, chaos, death, people getting shanked, mauled, mutilated...

TNG had it's moments, sure, but that's all they were. Moments. It didn't spend seven years being grim and dark. In point of fact i'd say the darker moments had that much more power because the show was so often much more humanitarian and pleasant. So whenever the horrible body horror came into play, or the crew were delving into their minds and encountering nightmarish stuff it really kicked it up a notch. Not everything has to be Game of Thrones with sex, debaunchery and horrific death in every corner.

How about something that takes a cue from... Cosmos? The poetry and beauty of science, discovery, our own human ingenuity. TOS and TNG were nerd Nirvana. They were a strong and a loyal following. Tens of thousands of people went into stem fields or became interested in science and technology because of what Star Trek presented. That kind of show is not the show that Discovery is. It could be the kind of show this second new Star Trek series could be.

As Sir Patrick Stewart himself talks about repeatedly in interviews when asked about TNG, the thing that made him so proud of their work were all the people that approached him over the decades and told him how much the show that TNG WAS is what SAVED THEIR LIVES.

Personally, with as "meh" as the world feels these days i'd like to see one. Just one show that tries to light the imaginative spark in people again about the future.

I just feel like John Sheridan when it comes to Star Trek.



I know, I know. Muh nostalgia. It won't sell. That was then, this is now. We'll just keep farting out style over substance...



Here's my idea. Instead of destroying the character of Picard by turning him into a bitter asshole, (like they did to Luke in Star Wars) how about he's leading the Star Trek A-Team to reunite the Federation after the destruction of Romulus has generated a geo-political and literal shock-wave through the galaxy? He becomes something of a mentor figure and a teacher for a group of new characters who can handle the action-adventure stuff while he relights the enduring optimism.

"No. There are better ways, and we were always able to find them in the past."A group of the Next Generation of Starfleet officers, perhaps very eager for a fight. Cut from the Johnny Rico cloth. Picard, the ideal man to push against that, to try and right the rudders and lead this new generation on a mission that seeks unity and stability. Old friends become new enemies. Have the status quo switch up in many ways. The destruction of a central power like the Romulans would have DRAMATIC effects on everything around them. How would the Klingons, the remains of the Cardassians, the Orions, the Gorn, react?

Members of the Federation could withdraw after word gets out that maybe what happened to the Romulans wasn't a "natural occurrence."

You want to make a character bitter that it makes sense to have become bitter, and give Picard a very compelling pseudo antagonist?

Riker. We've already seen that side of him in All Good Things. What made him bitter? The death of Deanna Troi. Imagine, say, he was on the USS Titan, on the edge of Romulan space, monitoring the event that lead to the JJ Trek movies, and the Titan was caught in the shock wave. Badly damaged. Troi dies saving people. Riker, embittered. Even angry that his friend is still vying for peace. Riker could think he's crazy, there's something much more sinister at play. Picard might say "Old friend, now more than ever is the time for us to stand together. We have always been at our best together."

I'd much prefer a Star Trek show that, though it has to acknowledge the great well of darkness that the galaxy has fallen into because of Nemesis, post nemesis, and the events of Countdown that led up to Trek 2009, it immediately jumps to high warp into the light. Far away from that mess.

The Old One

The Old One

#2586
I do mostly agree with you.

Although my initial post might not have seemed so, I think they can do traditional Star Trek today.
It just needs a more serious angle about the institutions interconnecting relationships, while never all out war; there was always problems in TNG and DS9.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#2587
In the grand tradition of Star Trek, I fully expect this new show to be loaded with political allegory.


SM

SM

#2588
Herbert.

QuoteIt'd be great to have a "nice" show in the Star Trek universe again for a change.

Cos it's boring.

Something that just explored space simply based on what we know now, but then extrapolating that to get a close up look at a black hole or a quasar could be fascinating - to a very small audience.  Conflict = drama.

Despite its myriad flaws, I always found TOS much more entertaining than TNG, partly because there was no conflict between the crew on TNG.  There was no headbutting like Bones and Spock, and everyone just comes off as a bit bland.

QuoteInstead of destroying the character of Picard by turning him into a bitter asshole

It's not destroying the character (since I didn't say to turn him into an arsehole) - the arc would be bringing him back from the hole he's dug himself into.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#2589
Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2018, 04:21:55 AM
Despite its myriad flaws, I always found TOS much more entertaining than TNG, partly because there was no conflict between the crew on TNG.  There was no headbutting like Bones and Spock, and everyone just comes off as a bit bland.

Kirk/Bones

Vermillion

Vermillion

#2590
Dammit Jim!

Corporal Hicks

Corporal Hicks

#2591
Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2018, 12:58:53 AM
Make the premise a sequel to Conspiracy.

There's a fan audio drama that went down that route that I enjoyed well enough. Star Trek: Excelsior.


In regards to TNG - yeah, I rewatch select episodes now and again, but I do big ol' rewatches of the other shows far more than I do TNG. Still excited for Picard back, though.

Local Trouble

Local Trouble

#2592
I wonder if the success of The Orville had any influence on this.

D88M

D88M

#2593
Oh man i really hope this new show will be good, Discovery is ok, Orville is great, the new rebot franchise by abrams was awful, is about time for a real Star Trek show.

whiterabbit

whiterabbit

#2594
There hasn't been any real Star Trek anything since the 90's. So I can't wait to here "energize" once again from Picard.

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