*Spoilers* AvPR Sewer Battle Youtube *Spoilers*

[Clydewyman]

Can you believe flash, dreamweaver and their ilk costs $400 dollars? It's bullshit.

You kidding me? I never heard of it until you mentioned it.

f**k man, are these people out for cash grabs or what?

[SiL]

They have their queen (mother) and thats all they need.

If my momma weren't raised by her momma she'd be pretty useless making me act like a regular person.

You say they have genetic memory.

I don't.

And your up in arms about avpr's treatment of aliens, what about Aliens? Queen Ripley scene sentry guns, wheres yellow_alien? Don't act like this is the first time aliens have been downgraded.

I'm sorry, but where in Aliens did we see a marine holding two Aliens back by the necks with them incapable of defending themselves? Where did we see a marine stomp an Alien's face in with just their foot? Where did we see a marine holding back an Alien singlehandedly with enough time to shoot another before single-handedly flipping the Alien across a corridor and shooting its head off?

The Aliens were all shot to death. There's not much they can do about that. But they still fought on and when they got their hands on the marines, they didn't just flail like retards and let themselves get killed.

[Johnny Handsome]

'm sorry, but where in Aliens did we see a marine holding two Aliens back by the necks with them incapable of defending themselves?

True, we just saw a queen doinf nothing but paddling with her arms when her hive gets destroyed, we see ripley shooting aliens at point blank range without any acid falling on her, we see hicks sticking the shotgun into the aliens mouth while the alien just holds very still waiting for hicks to perform his line, or vasquez surviving an point blank alien attack with nothing but her foot being burned, or getting acid in the face or acid in general on her body while she is shooting the alien point blank while it is just slapping arround... Cameron started this, not the bros.

[jimmylace]

Can you believe flash, dreamweaver and their ilk costs $400 dollars? It's bullshit.

You can get the full Macromedia suite (well its adobe now, but I dont know what theyre calling it these days) for free. Just download the torrent. 

$400 is very cheap in comparison to the retail price (laughs at the idea of paying money for software) of other Adobe programs.

[SiL]

True, we just saw a queen doinf nothing but paddling with her arms when her hive gets destroyed,

Let's forget that she's attached to not only an ovipositer, but her back is connected to the hive itself.

we see ripley shooting aliens at point blank range without any acid falling on her,

Point blank? No we don't.

we see hicks sticking the shotgun into the aliens mouth while the alien just holds very still waiting for hicks to perform his line,

We see an Alien trying to open a door against two marines while attempting to headbite Hicks.

or vasquez surviving an point blank alien attack with nothing but her foot being burned, or getting acid in the face or acid in general on her body while she is shooting the alien point blank while it is just slapping arround...

A) The entire scene takes place in seconds, from Vasquez shooting it down from the vent above her to killing it.
B) It's a cramped location. Vasquez has her entire body into pinning the Alien at that one single point and Aliens are bulky. It doesn't have room to maneuver.
C) If anything the acid splash from the pistol wound is more realistic than blood pissing everywhere - Believe it or not, but in the real world not every wound results in six liters of gore.

Cameron started lots of Aliens. He didn't start retard Aliens that don't fight back - That was very much the Strause Brothers.

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Hehehe ... sex liters ...

[Aeus]

Cameron started lots of Aliens. He didn't start retard Aliens that don't fight back - That was very much the Strause Brothers.

No the Alien in the vent had plenty of room to defend itself. But it did f**k all when Vasquez pinned it and started shooting.

No to mention that if you watch the Sewer clip, there is a shot that clearly shows Wolfs thumb applying pressure to a part of the Aliens neck. Probably a nerve that screws up it's coordination. Would be easy to believe considering the Predators knowledge of Alien nerve endings as shown in AVP.

[SiL]

No the Alien in the vent had plenty of room to defend itself. But it did f**k all when Vasquez pinned it and started shooting.

Plenty of room? There was barely enough room for Vasquez and the thing's head - How was there "plenty of room"? Every shot of the Aliens that we see in the vents show them barely fitting in.

Not to mention the entire scene takes place in about half the time Wolf has the Aliens in his hands.

No to mention that if you watch the Sewer clip, there is a shot that clearly shows Wolfs thumb applying pressure to a part of the Aliens neck. Probably a nerve that screws up it's coordination.

Yet leaves it with enough coordination and motor control to latch on to the Predator's hands.

[Johnny Handsome]

Let's forget that she's attached to not only an ovipositer, but her back is connected to the hive itself.

Attached to the hive? Nope, just to the egg sag, and after the hive burned down she decides to go after ripley... the scene is so stupid i laugh every time how bad it is directed.

Point blank? No we don't.

Yes we do, right after ripley destroyed the hive and newt is telling her that an alien is behind her.
Again, stupid.

We see an Alien trying to open a door against two marines while attempting to headbite Hicks.

No, we see it loosing against hicks and then when the other guys are coming to help him it wants to headbite him (what it could do miles before that) and then we see hicks sticking the shotgun into its mouth while the alien is absolutley doing nothing but waiting for hicks to perform his line... cheeesyy...

A) The entire scene takes place in seconds, from Vasquez shooting it down from the vent above her to killing it.
B) It's a cramped location. Vasquez has her entire body into pinning the Alien at that one single point and Aliens are bulky. It doesn't have room to maneuver.
C) If anything the acid splash from the pistol wound is more realistic than blood pissing everywhere - Believe it or not, but in the real world not every wound results in sex liters of gore.

Tell me what you want, there is a thread in the alien section with screenshots, the scene is a huge pile of dog shit, vaquesz surviving an point blank alien is shitty as hell... but not as shitty as the aliens running into sentry guns in droves... AVP 2´s aliens are retardet, but not as much as in camerons bullshit trash.

[Aeus]

No the Alien in the vent had plenty of room to defend itself. But it did f**k all when Vasquez pinned it and started shooting.

Plenty of room? There was barely enough room for Vasquez and the thing's head - How was there "plenty of room"? Every shot of the Aliens that we see in the vents show them barely fitting in.

Not to mention the entire scene takes place in about half the time Wolf has the Aliens in his hands.

There was plenty of room for it to lash out with its hands or extremely flexible tail.

No to mention that if you watch the Sewer clip, there is a shot that clearly shows Wolfs thumb applying pressure to a part of the Aliens neck. Probably a nerve that screws up it's coordination.

Yet leaves it with enough coordination and motor control to latch on to the Predator's hands.

Its hands are there before he squeezes. It reaches to rip his arm away from it's throat, then he squeezes and it can't do anything useful.

[Porkus Maximus]

there is a shot that clearly shows Wolfs thumb applying pressure to a part of the Aliens neck. Probably a nerve that screws up it's coordination

Oh come on grasping at straws much?  Even if Aliens did have pressure points similar to those in a human, their reaction is still beyond extreme.

Attached to the hive? Nope, just to the egg sag, and after the hive burned down she decides to go after ripley... the scene is so stupid i laugh every time how bad it is directed.

So what?  The Queen and the sac just float in mid air?  The Queen and the egg sac are secured to the walls/ceiling by huge amounts of resin.

There was plenty of room for it to lash out with its hands or extremely flexible tail.

I think you need to look at the space inside the vents again, I would estimate they wern't much wider than 4ftX4ft.  An Alien crawling on all fours filled the entire vent. 

[SiL]

Attached to the hive? Nope,

Yup.

Yes we do, right after ripley destroyed the hive and newt is telling her that an alien is behind her.

That's not 'point blank', doofus.

No, we see it loosing against hicks

Try watching the scene. It's pushing Hicks back.

and then we see hicks sticking the shotgun into its mouth while the alien is absolutley doing nothing but waiting for hicks to perform his line...

Hicks does the line while sticking the shotgun into its mouth.

cheeesyy...

Coming from a Pred fanboy, that means nothing.

there is a thread in the alien section with screenshots,

Screenshots don't give you pacing.

vaquesz surviving an point blank alien is shitty as hell...

Point blank in a location where the Alien was grossly disadvantaged. Hmm.

but not as shitty as the aliens running into sentry guns in droves

And you know it was droves, how? We get half a dozen six-frame inserts of Aliens for the entire sentry gun sequence.

There was plenty of room for it to lash out with its hands or extremely flexible tail.

No, there wasn't. Its tail would have to bend almost entirely in on itself in order to be able to hit Vasquez.

Its hands are there before he squeezes. It reaches to rip his arm away from it's throat, then he squeezes and it can't do anything useful.

They can't do anything useful before he squeezes, either.

[Aeus]

Their tail is more than flexible enough to strike the shit out of her.

Yes we do, right after ripley destroyed the hive and newt is telling her that an alien is behind her.

That's not 'point blank', doofus.

Why do you always resort to name calling? It's just childish.

[SiL]

Why do you always resort to name calling? It's just childish.

I always saw doofus as just another way of saying 'silly'. It's not meant as an insult.

[Aeus]

Why do you always resort to name calling? It's just childish.

I always saw doofus as just another way of saying 'silly'. It's not meant as an insult.

Fair, but it could be interpreted that way. And it's not really necessary is it?

[Johnny Handsome]

So what?  The Queen and the sac just float in mid air?  The Queen and the egg sac are secured to the walls/ceiling by huge amounts of resin.

When her hive gets destroyed she just sits there watching and paddling with her arms, it is stupid and poorly done.
When the hive is destroyed then she decides to rip herself off the egg sag.. wow, what was cameron thinking (or drinking?) when he shot the scene.

Yup.

Nope.

That's not 'point blank', doofus.

Close enough to get acid in the face, just like drake, who was standing away a couple of feets and still got acid in his face. The scene is stupid.

Try watching the scene. It's pushing Hicks back.

Nope, its loosing, then gets blasted away.

Hicks does the line while sticking the shotgun into its mouth.

Nope, he sticks the shotgun in, then he says the line... again, the alien doing nothing is stupid and...cheesyyy...

Coming from a Pred fanboy, that means nothing.

Coming from an alien fanboy, it means "Cameron".

Screenshots don't give you pacing.

Then why dont you watch the movies?

Point blank in a location where the Alien was grossly disadvantaged. Hmm.

It was even coming from above on vaquez and then... going spastic, yeah, cameron really faceraped ash´s speech about the "perfect organism" so hard that it was not only milk that was coming out of ash´s mouth....

And you know it was droves, how? We get half a dozen six-frame inserts of Aliens for the entire sentry gun sequence.

Because hicks says so when ripley and hudson is coming to him shitting their pants. And those little shots of the aliens falling away are all shots that we see earlier in the movie... talk about low budget avp2...

Cameron f**ked the alien in every way, he showed no respect to him, just changing the design and putting them like stupid bugs that cant handle to kill a handgunnned women point blank.
Cameon is a f**khead, the alien sereis should have stopped with "Alien".