Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 12:56:38 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2024, 12:25:01 PMQuote from: ralfy on Jan 11, 2024, 09:32:06 AMI complained to an admin about one mod, stating that they're not supposed to participate in discussions because their functions would give them an advantage over others, and I continue to support that view.
Well, that must have endeared you to them.
Can someone find the "I have no memory of this memory" GIF please? @Local Trouble
I'm still trying to decide if I think ralfy is a troll or not.
AFAIK, a troll is someone who resorts to personal insults.
In my case, I'm not interested in doing that or even derailing this thread. I'm more interested in the finer details of the
Alien timeline because I'm a fan of the franchise. And here's what I got so far given the video recently shared and that turns out to strengthen my arguments further:
Mother sends information about a distress signal to W-Y, and the latter instructs it to re-route the ship to the coordinates of the signal. Based on their contracts, the crew is supposed to investigate the latter, and if it's something that can be monetized by the company, then the crew would get a share from the profits. Later, Mother is instructed by W-Y to tell the science officer that Special Order was to be followed, i.e., the officer is to obtain the organism and others and guarantee their transport to the company, even if it means making the crew expendable.
Several implications from this:
Either the company received the coordinates from Mother or it didn't. The latter wouldn't make sense, but if the former does, then that means the company had the coordinates throughout the period depicted by the two movies and didn't them from the lifeboat flight recorder. Since it would have made no sense for the company to investigate the location throughout, and even with a colony built on the same rock, then we can only assume that for some reason the company lost all information received from Mother.
Mother was in periodic contact with the company. If so, then that would have meant that the company knew everything that was going on in the Nostromo, just like it did when the Sulaco computer provided data throughout according to Bishop in the third movie.
Did Mother provide only flight information or more? Given the point that it was literally ran the ship while the crew was in cryo-sleep, and probably even did things like monitor the condition of the crew, then it was certainly capable of doing more than just operating as a flight recorder, and likely did, just like the Sulaco computer. Given that, for us to assume that the company knew almost nothing after it ordered the crew to investigate the signal (to explain why it did nothing for decades), then Mother stopped transmitting information to W-Y right after the crew landed on the rock, or all signals were sent but not received.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 11, 2024, 02:24:43 PMHe should have been banned a while ago. If you read his huge meaningless word salad posts you can see he's not discussing anything in good faith.
Just ignoring him doesnt work, someone is always going to try and have a discussion with him in good faith and then the whole thread is consumed.
You are always free to explain why my points are meaningless, and do so point-by-point as well, instead of resorting to insults.
This isn't hard to understand: the recent video shows that at least Mother had the coordinates to the signal. Why would it not send it to W-Y? Or did it and W-Y misplaced the info?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2024, 03:33:44 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Jan 11, 2024, 02:23:00 PMThe problem isn't that people don't like him, it's that he's derailing multiple threads with his nonsense. He has no interest in actual discussion seeing as how he puts everyone on ignore. What, exactly, can he contribute to a thread about Sm's timeline website when he has SM himself on ignore?
If he wants to just hear himself ramble, perhaps he should start a blog.
If it was off-topic, then I would agree. But he's talking about the video. Whether what he's talking about has merit or not is not the question. Just ignore him and don't quote him. Hell, someone summoned him here and instigated this.
Right: I'm not topic, and I'm talking about the movie and the timeline. Why do you find that questionable?
I'm forced to ignore SM because he started picking on me and resorted to insults, with others following. If forum members stop doing that, then I'll unignore all of them and address each point.
In any event, what we're looking at in terms of the timeline is irrational activity from W-Y: it knows, then it doesn't, then it knows, then it doesn't. It cares, then doesn't care, then cares, then doesn't care again, and so on.
What I'm doing is speculating on the context of their actions in order to explain them, and the only thing I can consider is that in several cases they misplaced information and in others covered up their knowledge of the creatures.
In this case, it becomes harder to insist that they didn't care when they knew about the creatures as early as the prequels.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 11, 2024, 04:14:52 PMMaybe the prevailing feeling is that he is worth keeping around for the appearance of a more active forum. He creates a lot of activity, even if he's just a mild mannered troll and his posts are without merit.
My understanding is that there's no such thing as a "mild mannered troll." Either you're trolling or you're not. In my case, I take this seriously, and I can't help it because I'm a fan of the franchise, and that's fans do.
Given that, the difference comes in interpretation of what happened in the movies, and there are some interpretations that make sense and some that don't. I think mine do because of the prequels, several events in the three movies that can't be interpreted as based on coincidence, etc. How are those points without merit?
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jan 11, 2024, 06:15:13 PMI will hold my hand up and admit I shouldn't have quoted that for Ralfys attention. Stirring the pot as they say. Apologies.
If you're referring to the video, then I don't see why it's wrong for me not to know it, as it reminded fans of the interaction between W-Y and Mother. But even that would not have been needed given what happened in the prequels.