Alien Covenant Fan Reviews

Started by Darkness, May 09, 2017, 05:39:30 PM

What did you think of Alien Covenant?

Loved it. (5/5)
100 (21.8%)
Good, it was enjoyable. (4/5)
147 (32%)
It was okay. (3/5)
89 (19.4%)
Could have been better. (2/5)
61 (13.3%)
Didn't like it. (1/5)
32 (7%)
Hated it! (0/5)
30 (6.5%)

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Spidey3121

Spidey3121

#780
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 21, 2017, 04:38:33 PM
If there was ever a perfect example of a movie that didn't need a prequel, Alien is it, and I still can't for the life of me understand why Scott has insisted it should.

I'm very tempted to just view these new films as a new modern Alien series, a reboot if you will, because for me, ruining the mystery of my favorite movie of all time isn't my jam.

This is why I loved the route that Prometheus took. It wasn't a straight prequel that lead directly into the events of Alien. I thought the Space Jockey's were worth exploring. I understand that some people were upset with how that played out, but I am not one of them. And it didn't directly contradict anything in Alien, whereas Covenant seemingly does. I say seemingly b/c fingers crossed that any sequel we get will correct course.

That Yellow Alien

That Yellow Alien

#781
Yes, Prometheus distancing itself from Alien was a good thing in hindsight, and at least Covenant actually doesn't connect directly to Alien either. Until the next film potentially at least. Oh god...

Hudson

Hudson

#782
Quote from: Darth Vile on May 21, 2017, 10:11:46 AM
Why are people becoming increasingly obsessed with writing pages of material dissecting and critiquing a film? I'm all for discussion and airing views, but why this trend for such verbosity? I think this is part of the problem...

If you really need an explanation as to why we dissect and critique, then there's no reason to even bother explaining at this point.

Also, some of us are educated and enjoy thinking as if that's a crime...

I'm pursuing an MFA in fiction writing. You telling me it's not okay to interrogate the narrative based on my daily life pursuit? Take a nap.



First of all, people who like the movie and are upset that others dislike it need to calm the f**k down. You didn't make the movie. You were not involved. Don't take it personally. There are no stakes in it for you. I don't care that people like it. The only thing irritating is the lengths people will go to bend over backwards to defend things in the film that are poorly executed on an empirical level. For instance, trying to explain a miscue or plot hole in the story by speculating on what may have been edited.

The point of stasis in so many of these arguments isn't anywhere near being reached, and people are just going back and forth with no aim to certain debates.

The parallel between what I've seen in this thread and blatant nationalism is pretty bizarre. We don't need to 'earn' our right to be fans. And if we do, then let's start comparing our collection sizes to prove our patriotism to one another. By the same logic that hilariously states we're bad fans for disliking Covenant, you are all bad fans for disliking Alien Resurrection. AvP. AvPR. Prometheus. Any of the movies, so give it a rest.

Unless we're just supposed to appreciate that Ridley Scott directed it, because he's never made a bad movie.  ::)

Adam802

Adam802

#783
We missed out on Blomkamp's Alien 5 for this......*sigh.  And now we have Scott's 3rd alien prequel movie to "look forward" to...  Watch it be ANOTHER story about a 3rd group of people on a 3rd ship traveling to yet a 3rd planet again.....pfft. 

fluxcap

fluxcap

#784
Overall I preferred it over Prometheus, I think the solid acting from the main cast is the factor that makes me prefer this over that film. The first 40 minutes of the movie were well done and I was happy with it, once people start getting infected, I felt the movie began its downward spiral.

I was extremely disappointed with the heavy usage of cgi on the protomorph, I think based on how they wanted this creature to move and the general speed it does things, they resorted to cgi to do it. It looks quite good in some shots, but the observation that it feels like it has no weight is true. Aside from when its banging its head on glass, it doesn't feel like the creature is ever in the room with people. Also I felt the POV shots were completely unnecessary and didn't add value to the movie, it just felt thrown in.

The big thing I was looking to this movie to deliver was an explanation as to how the protomorph comes to be. Aside from some vague dialogue, I didn't buy that David somehow bio-engeneered the creature with the supplies he had. It the film showed something like an Engineer lab, I would be more onboard with it, despite the fact I'm not keen on how these films are treating David as their creator (If indeed he is the creator of the xenomorph). However, they're not even doing a good job of following through on that. Something that would have lessened the salt on the wound for me was if David stumbled onto some sort of engineer blueprint on how to "make" a xenomorph and the resulting protomorph is just the by-product of an attempt to follow the recipe. That keeps the creation of the xenomorph in the hands of the engineers and the protomorph is David's own stab at creating life. To me, it provides a serviceable off-shoot plot exploration from the main events of the Alien series and delivers a story with the DNA of the alien without harshly messing with what's been established over the years. That's just my own view on a possible origin for the xenomorph's given what's established in Prometheus.

My criticism's mirror many others so I won't go into them. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get another Alien film. The box office returns are tracking behind Prometheus and despite the lower budget, I think in today's movie landscape with mega franchises soaking up all the box office dollars, an underperforming franchise movie will probably be the end of the franchise for awhile. There's articles out there that the next film is set to go, but as we've seen with other sequels, if this one underperforms, they'll pull the plug on Covenant 2 for sure.

Overall its an alright movie, as a fan though, I'm not currently happy with the "alien origin" direction if it indeed is meant to be the xenomorph's true origin.

My personal franchise ranking: Alien, Aliens, (Alien: Isolation, I'm a big fan of the game and could live with this being canon) Alien 3, Alien: Covenant, Alien: Resurrection, Prometheus


KiramidHead

KiramidHead

#785
Just got back from the theater...

Eh... It was better than I was expecting based on certain spoilers, but it's not that great on the whole. I do think that it's mainly well made and well acted, and I didn't mind the CGI as much as some seem to, the one Alien clipping through the damn floor aside. :laugh: Certain bits were very suspenseful, and the look and production design is excellent. I liked the Aliens, too, even though they weren't used all that well. However...

The characters are very poorly set up, making it hard to tell most of them apart. I had a hard time getting invested in Daniels, since we only know Branson for about five seconds before he gets flash fried. They try to develop Oram, but it's very half assed, and he's such an unlikable prick that I didn't care. What a waste of Billy Crudup. The only one who felt properly distinct and fleshed out is Tennessee. The rest are so interchangeable that I couldn't keep track of them, and was mainly wondering why they gave Demian Bichir such a nothing role.

The aliens were cool in concept, but the pacing around the neomorphs showing up is lightning fast, and they end up amounting to very little.  It's also very hard to take their acrobatic kung fu attacks seriously. The classic xenomorph feels like an after thought, and I really have no idea how they relate to the goo, the deacon, or anything, really... I mean, David supposedly created them out of boredom, but something about that really doesn't add up. That and their life cycle is sped up faster than in AVP.

As a Prometheus sequel, this is a big disappointment, if you cared about anything other than David. Everything interesting from that film is flushed down the toilet, and we're left with vague scraps of a much more interesting film told in flashback. David is just about the only significant carryover, and even so, he's such a completely different character that he might as well be Bob the Builder for all the difference it makes.

Speaking of which, I have to disagree with the majority here: Fassbender isn't that good. He's fine as Walter, even if his (presumably) American accent leaves a lot to be desired. David, on the other hand, is so campy and ridiculous that he is impossible to take seriously, and the awful dialogue he's saddled with doesn't help.

And that ending is just... so... silly.

Meh.

Gash

Gash

#786
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 21, 2017, 07:52:07 PM
...and I didn't mind the CGI as much as some seem to, the one Alien clipping through the damn floor aside. :laugh:

It didn't, the back tubes fold in.

KiramidHead

KiramidHead

#787
Quote from: Gash on May 21, 2017, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on May 21, 2017, 07:52:07 PM
...and I didn't mind the CGI as much as some seem to, the one Alien clipping through the damn floor aside. :laugh:

It didn't, the back tubes fold in.

My mistake.

Nostromo

Nostromo

#788
Quote from: Snake on May 20, 2017, 04:26:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 20, 2017, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 03:09:52 AM
If this is what the remaining Alien films going forward are going to be, than I don't really know how to feel. It's hard to believe the same person who made Alien made this. Then again, that was  nearly 40 years ago, Scott is a different person. But honestly, I'd rather keep in the tradition of the classic films and allow new visionary directors make Alien movies, because Ridley doesn't seem like he wants to.

While I don't hate Covenant, I don't like the direction it's setting up to go in. I'm with you in that I hope they give it to someone else who actually wants to make Alien films. Not David films with Aliens tacked on. And I love David. I'd rather Scott had been able to make an Alien-less film focusing around David and the Neomorphs.


Quote from: Snake on May 20, 2017, 03:51:45 PM
QuoteIf it comes out.  Lets see how this movie holds up second week. 
Of course it will, they're going to start filming within 14 months or so. But if you don't want that then you're a f**kING MORON!

Can I also remind everyone to conduct themselves with some sense of maturity? I'm so bored of having to remind people to act like adults. We won't all agree (obviously) but we can disagree like grown-ups without resorting to insults. If anyone feels they can't act in such a fashion, I suggest they don't post.

Sorry Hicks but the amount of haters here is just baffling. And this is a site for Alien and Predator fans?! You count me out! - Hudson-

So people aren't allowed to dislike a movie according to you? I'm one of the biggest Alien fans on the planet and disliked it...so what...what's wrong with that? It's clear the movie was rushed, CGI aliens suck, not much of a smart story...I mean it's just the 2nd weekend and it feels like it's already forgotten...there's just not much to talk about besides David this David that...wooppiee fkin do.

What pissed me off was not the forest planet, predictable outcomes, but how dumb the Aliens looked at times, the mediocre CGI and the rushed cheese story. There's nothing really smart about this movie besides a few great scenes...and that's why the rating is already at 6.9 on IMDB...and Alien/Aliens is still at 8.4...it was supposed to be a nice smart Sci Fi horror movie instead it was rushed and lost all its potential. The actors were great, planet was not good at all, never got that claustrophobic feeling. I thought the scenes on the space ship would have been more like in Alien instead it was more like Alien Resurrection. Seriously, how can you compare this to Alien or Aliens? That's why ratings are falling and no one's really talking about this movie. The ratings usually don't lie.

I don't understand how Ridley Scott directs Alien and can't see the difference between good sh!t and this sh!t. At least if 80-90% of the Alien scenes were done well like in Alien instead of CGI crapfest runners & AVP style jumpers or had more terror or an intelligent story not many people would be complaining now.

Yes there are probably hidden messages with the gay flute lessons and the rest of the mumbo jumbo but the core element of the franchise (the Alien) sucked. Except for the Beluga Alien attacking that pretty chick in the caves (something that got my hopes up in the movie only to be let down again on the next scene with David talking to it and the way it tried to run away when the dumb commander started firing at it, damn that looked like sh!t)....arghhhhhbh

Vorennaal

Vorennaal

#789
English not being my native language so I beg your pardon.

I have just seen this film and I can honestly tell you, It was way beyond my expectations. An extraordinary philosophical experience hard to describe. A journey beyond imagination. It comes close to the original Alien movie, but the philosophical aspects with strong interests in other disciplines are beyond anything I've ever seen in the franchise before. This movie is shockingly sophisticated. An original experience through the creation of the alien species but more! Its main initiative is about creation. David was created by the pantheon of industrial mechanics. David is a creative being with talents but he is imperfect. He is soulless. You cannot create something perfect through imperfect. There is no perfect work through soulless people. The soulless creature of xenomorph is an impure testimony of the human industrial mechanism (David). Empty! Seemingly perfect killing machine, just like the viruses or David, but without soul the creation will be nothing but blasphemy. David was the first blasphemy, a crime against mother nature, the xenomorph is the second one. It's all the stuff that defines our imperfect mind through the eye of a synthetic being.

Walter: One wrong note eventually ruins the entire symphony.

So true!

Thank You Mr Ridley Scott! 

Snake

Snake

#790
Quote from: Adam802 on May 21, 2017, 07:08:33 PM
We missed out on Blomkamp's Alien 5 for this......*sigh.  And now we have Scott's 3rd alien prequel movie to "look forward" to...  Watch it be ANOTHER story about a 3rd group of people on a 3rd ship traveling to yet a 3rd planet again.....pfft.

I've seen some of Blomkamp's movies like District 9 and Chappie and he uses a shaky cam all the time, which just looks awful. I'm glad he doesn't get a shot anymore. About your second remark, I believe Ridley hasn't got a choice. It's not like there are aliens here on earth...

Quote from: Nostromo on May 21, 2017, 08:21:09 PM
Quote from: Snake on May 20, 2017, 04:26:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 20, 2017, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 20, 2017, 03:09:52 AM
If this is what the remaining Alien films going forward are going to be, than I don't really know how to feel. It's hard to believe the same person who made Alien made this. Then again, that was  nearly 40 years ago, Scott is a different person. But honestly, I'd rather keep in the tradition of the classic films and allow new visionary directors make Alien movies, because Ridley doesn't seem like he wants to.

While I don't hate Covenant, I don't like the direction it's setting up to go in. I'm with you in that I hope they give it to someone else who actually wants to make Alien films. Not David films with Aliens tacked on. And I love David. I'd rather Scott had been able to make an Alien-less film focusing around David and the Neomorphs.


Quote from: Snake on May 20, 2017, 03:51:45 PM
QuoteIf it comes out.  Lets see how this movie holds up second week. 
Of course it will, they're going to start filming within 14 months or so. But if you don't want that then you're a f**kING MORON!

Can I also remind everyone to conduct themselves with some sense of maturity? I'm so bored of having to remind people to act like adults. We won't all agree (obviously) but we can disagree like grown-ups without resorting to insults. If anyone feels they can't act in such a fashion, I suggest they don't post.

Sorry Hicks but the amount of haters here is just baffling. And this is a site for Alien and Predator fans?! You count me out! - Hudson-

So people aren't allowed to dislike a movie according to you? I'm one of the biggest Alien fans on the planet and disliked it...so what...what's wrong with that? It's clear the movie was rushed, CGI aliens suck, not much of a smart story...I mean it's just the 2nd weekend and it feels like it's already forgotten...there's just not much to talk about besides David this David that...wooppiee fkin do.

What pissed me off was not the forest planet, predictable outcomes, but how dumb the Aliens looked at times, the mediocre CGI and the rushed cheese story. There's nothing really smart about this movie besides a few great scenes...and that's why the rating is already at 6.9 on IMDB...and Alien/Aliens is still at 8.4...it was supposed to be a nice smart Sci Fi horror movie instead it was rushed and lost all its potential. The actors were great, planet was not good at all, never got that claustrophobic feeling. I thought the scenes on the space ship would have been more like in Alien instead it was more like Alien Resurrection. Seriously, how can you compare this to Alien or Aliens? That's why ratings are falling and no one's really talking about this movie. The ratings usually don't lie.

I don't understand how Ridley Scott directs Alien and can't see the difference between good sh!t and this sh!t. At least if 80-90% of the Alien scenes were done well like in Alien instead of CGI crapfest runners & AVP style jumpers or had more terror or an intelligent story not many people would be complaining now.

Yes there are probably hidden messages with the gay flute lessons and the rest of the mumbo jumbo but the core element of the franchise (the Alien) sucked. Except for the Beluga Alien attacking that pretty chick in the caves (something that got my hopes up in the movie only to be let down again on the next scene with David talking to it and the way it tried to run away when the dumb commander started firing at it, damn that looked like sh!t)....arghhhhhbh

Hey man, I'm not saying you aren't allowed to dislike it. Fine by me. But hoping that the movie won't do well at the box office and we wouldn't get a sequel because of that is another thing. And I wouldn't take the ratings on IMDB too serieus, as they are the complete opposite of the poll on this site, where all the alien and predator fans are.

And the CGI looked great and there was still a guy in a suit, but obviously you missed that.

YutaniDitch

YutaniDitch

#791
Quote from: RidgeTop on May 21, 2017, 08:31:17 AM
This is going to be ranty, but I attempted to be as fair as I could in my own personal assessment and refrain from bitching. I'm putting it in a spoiler tag to save everyone the wall of text.

I personally give the movie a five out of ten. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about it, and this "you're not a true fan" business is silly. Anyone can be a true fan and like or dislike the film.

Spoiler


Alien: Covenant review, oh boy, here we go...

I'll be really impressed if anyone makes it through all of this.

I just got back from my second viewing, wanted to give it another chance before finalizing my opinion.

These are my opinions, my speculations, and my frustrations, I'm just sharing my thoughts here and I don't expect anyone to agree with me. It is worth seeing, and anyone who is interested in it should make up their own mind. If you liked the movie, great! I wish I could.

Alien: Covenant is a bad film.

Not only is it a bad film, it's a bad Alien Prequel, and it's a bad Prometheus Sequel.

It's my least favorite of them all, out of any of the Alien, Predator, or Alien Vs. Predator movies. I like it less than Prometheus.

It brings me no pleasure to say this or have this opinion, anyone who knows me will know I was excited for this movie and wanted it to be great. However, I knew after Prometheus and from some of the rumors I was hearing that my expectations should be measured, so I made sure to keep them as low as I could for the release of an Alien film. It didn't help. Like Prometheus, I watched it again, hoping it would grow on me. It didn't.

I realize this, coming from someone who defends the Alien Vs. Predator movies, won't be a popular assessment. That's OK, it's mine and I'm just sharing it. I'll get to why I think those films, while not as well crafted, served the franchise/s better and had more passion in them.

I'm going to go through the whole plot here. If you just want to see my pros, cons and overall thoughts, skip to the end.

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We start with an intriguing scene where David awakens and meets his creator, Peter Weyland for the first time. There is an interesting back and forth here between creator and creation, and it's clear that this is the theme the movie is going to be focusing on, along with David himself. The scene ends with Weyland, uncomfortable with David's line of questioning, requesting for tea right next to him as a power play. I suppose this is the beginning of David's daddy issues.

Really this movie should have been called David: Covenant.

Skip ahead 10 years after Prometheus and we're with the Covenant, a colonization ship, on its long journey to the planet Origae 6. The ship, its solar sails extended is impacted by a random neutrino burst. Walter awakens the crew, and James Franco's character, Captian Branson remains in his pod. Something is clearly wrong with his pod and before long the inside of it bursts into flames, killing him. This was the first part of the movie I was a bit confused by. You would think, due to rank, Walter would be awakening him first. The pod did not look particularly damaged, and they don't build these things with emergency releases?

In any case, the religious character, Oram, assumes command and is uneasy with his perceptions of the crew judging him.
I enjoyed the scene with the characters repairing the damaged ship, we get some really good views of the Covenant ship, as well as the impressive, practically built and moebius inspired spacesuits. Also, seeing a scene straight from Alien, where they eject their dead crew-member's body out of an airlock and into space was a bit of a treat.

As they are about to depart they receive a transmission. A ghostly image who is singing. Tennessee recognizes the song. I guess John Denver is still pretty well known a century from now? Walter, the android on the ship with the same look of David, is logical, straightforward, and yet subtly compassionate. I like him as a character.

They track the transmission to its source on a nearby planet, much closer than their terraforming destination. Oram decides they should check it out as it could potentially be a better candidate for their colony. This alone would be a bad reason and I'm glad they decided to throw in the "This is a human transmission and we're obligated to investigate" bit. Daniels, our female main character, calls this out as a bad idea.

After descending through the stormy atmosphere to the planet's surface, a scene that had distant vibes of the dropship descent in Aliens, they land on the edge of a lake and begin their trek. They have no protective suits, or procedure for an initial walk-around.

Even the astronauts in Prometheus were not that stupid.

Yes they mention the atmospheric contents but like any new planet landed on, you would think initial pathogen tests would need to be made. Space truckers were more concerned with decontamination and quarantine.

Eventually they come across the crashed ship that Shaw and David used to escape LV-223. I had to admit, their reaction to coming across a ship of potential Alien origin was pretty subdued. We see spores infecting a couple crew members. One puts his damn face in it, pokes it, and notices it release. He doesn't think to tell anyone he might be infected once he starts showing symptoms, a la Holloway in Prometheus. They find the origin of the signal and realize that Shaw and David were aboard the ship. Once two characters get sick they rush their way back to the lander.

Two people make it back first, one infected, one accompanying him. They get to the lander and Karine begs for Farris' help. They go to the medbay, Faris proceeds to lock them in, afraid of an outbreak (even though it wouldn't matter as her face had just been sprayed with blood). Karine realizes something emerging after... hugging a potentially infected guy? She begs Farris to open the door. Farris, in a panic, leaves again, runs to grab a weapon. The Neomorph emerges, I guess it's called the bloodburster for this one. Immediately Karine kicks it back, it viciously attacks her and tears her face up. Farris proceeds to open the door, slip on the bloody floor and shoot the ceiling, crawl back out the door, breaking her foot upon it closing. The bloodburster, the one that was just kicked into the wall a moment earlier proceeds to BREAK THE GLASS on the bulkhead door. Farris shoots around the room in a panic, hitting some tanks and blowing up the lander.

The other bloodburster emerges from the throat of the other victim. I'm not using their names because these two people have not been established as characters, so I really don't care what is happening to them other than seeing the thrilling gore of it. The Neomorph comes back LITERALLY SECONDS LATER, NEARLY FULLY GROWN. They shoot at the Neomorph as it takes off Walter's hand. David comes in and fires a flare, I guess the Neomorphs don't like light too much as they scurry off.

David leads them to the Engineer "Necropolis," which like with the Juggernaut, the group seems awfully calm about. This looks ripped straight out of Rome, as if it's the Vatican itself. We get some Prometheus vibes here, seeing a temple like interior with large stone heads. David explains his backstory and asks a few questions of his own.

It's here where Daniels talks to Walter and says what really should have been the tagline of the film:

"Nothing here makes any sense."

Most of the second act is here. We get some intriguing conversations between Walter and David. They have a strange flute-playing scene together.

"I'll do the fingering."

At one point they walked into a garden that was Ripped straight from the Arnold Böcklin painting "Isle of the Dead." It's here where David reveals that Shaw is dead and that he loved her. Making up a story about how the Juggernaut accidentally deployed its cargo and in the confusion their ship crashed.

We see a flashback where David drops the ships deadly cargo on the Engineer city. Why? Who knows. Some glances of female engineers. This is their home planet but they all live in one city? Why were there gates confining them to the courtyard? They are an advanced space-faring race with no defenses? Lots of questions here that we've been waiting for since the end of Prometheus five years ago. If you were hoping for any satisfying answers you're out of luck. The black goo instantly mummifies them? I suppose this is another instance of it doing whatever the plot calls for.

Back to the main story, in true horror movie fashion, Rosenthal goes off on her own to "freshen up" in a dark Alien city she knows nothing about... sure. Of course the Neomorph creeps in and bites her head off. Scott apparently wants us to really get this as going forward there are three extended shots of her head floating in the water.

During this whole time the crew of the Covenant ship is trying to re-establish contact with the ground crew. There's some good tension between the three bridge crew Members, with Tennessee wanting to risk the Covenant by flying into the storm.

The acting captian, Oram walks in to find the Neomorph munching on Rosenthal's corpse. David has already arrived here and is apparently trying to gain the Neomorph's trust. It strangely stands up straight and walks over to David. Oram has had enough and kills the Neomorph with his assault rifle. David has an emotional outburst upon this, which should be a pretty big red flag to Oram. Oram demands answers and David proceeds to show him his Frankenstein lair.

It's here where we start to gain the realization that David is the creator of the Xenomorphs. Ughhhh, Why Scott? Why did you do this? No one wanted this but you. Even the most praising reviews have been tepid about this. I'll express more of my thoughts after this plot run through. David leads Oram like a lamb to the slaughter into his egg chamber and tells him to put his face in the egg. Like an idiot Oram does this and gets facehugged. Didn't see that one coming.

Again, literally moments later. the Xenomorph is bursting out, only it's not a chestburster. It's a mini-Alien that mimics David in reaching its hands out. OK, what? We go back to Walter and David, after seeing Shaw's dissected and mutated corpse. So much for any satisfying conclusion for that character from Prometheus. David goes a bit meta here and plays the theme from Prometheus on his flute. Walter has figured David out. It's here was have a strange quasi incestuous, homo-erotic kiss between both of Micheal Fassbender's characters, before David attacks Walter and disables him. We can see Walter's skin repairing itself.

The characters begin their escape of the temple and, another is facehugged for about 5 seconds before it being cut off of his face. The instantly full-grown Xenomorph shows up (eat your heart out Paul W. S. Anderson), kills one of them as the facehugged for 5 seconds other guy runs off. After David gets all creepy and rapey on Daniels, Walter shows back up and we then get a straight out of Mortal Kombat fight between the two androids. The fight cuts away.

Tennessee arrives in the cargo lander. And why again does a ship of over two thousand people only have one shuttle? "Walter" (we know who this really is) follows them out. After that it's the Xenomorph. They climb aboard as the Xenomorph also hops on. Here's that fight from the trailer we all saw. After some cat-and-mouse back and forth between Daniels and the Alien, it's instantly crunched by heavy machinery and released into pieces, in the scene after its birth. Perfect Organism indeed.

I really get the impression Scott wasn't too interested in making an Alien film here.
They make it back to the ship. Some nice shots of the Covenant in the stormy clouds around this bit, reminded me of Event Horizon. Daniels repairs "Walter's" face, (I thought his skin was self repairing?). David really had time to cut his hand off and do his hair just right so that she wouldn't recognize him up close?

After they depart, it becomes evident a Xenomorph is on the ship. I guess five seconds is enough for a facehug to be effective. And again, the Xenomorph is an adult, instantly. The other two crew members apparently thought it would be a good time to have sex in the showers, and here we get our infamous shower scene that we expected from the trailers. I was actually looking forward to this, I was hoping it would be long and disturbing, but it ends up being quick, horror-movie trope fare, which some were initially afraid of but I defended before I ended up seeing.

They lead the Xenomorph into the terraforming bay, trap it in a tractor, and attempt to blow it out of the airlock. It leaps back on the ships platform just in time to be impaled and thrust into space. Again, because we haven't seen that before.

After getting in the hypersleep pods, Daniels realizes this movie's BIG TWIST! David is pretending to be Walter. Why didn't he just play along with her conversation? The twist was ridiculous. A real twist would have been if it really had been Walter, who I ended up liking much more than David in the film. Instead, the movie went and did the ultimate cliche.

In the very weird final scene, David pukes up some tiny facehuggers encased in the same material that the human fetuses were. OK... how?

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When I first walked out of the theater, I was feeling a lot like I did after Prometheus, confusion, denial. Upon reading the reviews of those both defending the film and criticizing it, and thinking upon it myself, like with Prometheus, I was left with immense frustration and disappointment.

This movie wasn't an Alien film.

Now when I criticize Scott here, I do so granting him the respect of a skilled artist and visionary. I can't deny he knows how to direct, and create beautiful scenes. But personally, I don't think any artist, or the work of any artist, is above criticism. The Martian restored some of my faith in Scott as a film maker, but that wasn't his story. It only illustrated well that Scott's strength lies in his visuals, and when he tries to get too involved in a story, it comes across as just random, pseudo-philosophical musings.

More and more I see Alien wasn't his masterpiece. It was a perfect storm of a strong director (who was still new so could only have so much creative control), the story of Dan O' Bannon and Ronald Shusset, (Both of those writers having criticisms of the direction of the franchise, including Prometheus), and the artistry of H.R. Giger and Ron Cobb. Without any of these elements, the symphony that was Alien likely wouldn't have been nearly as effective as it was.

The problem now is that Scott seems to want to be the entire symphony. Although he didn't write Prometheus and Covenant, he was deeply involved in the story and writing process. I really feel he was completely uninterested in listening to the criticisms of Prometheus, only doubling and tripling down on its flaws. I find it hard to believe, despite what Scott says on how he "listened to the fans." If he did he would have known that our problems went well beyond not seeing the Alien.

This film doesn't even grant us that much. I'm willing to bet the Alien has less screen time in this than in the original film. And even when it was not on screen in Alien, it was in the background, lurking. The threat of it was ever present. Our space trucker characters were all known to the audience, they planned, failed, made mistakes, but they were still smart. They acted how people would act. Prometheus and Covenant both threw this out the window.

There were zero creature practical effects that I could see, if there were any, they were too quick to notice. CG and Practical effects are both great tools for filmmakers to use but when you use all CGI for convenience sake, in the installment of a franchise that is known for its outstanding legacy with practical creature effects, you do it a tremendous disservice.

Scott seems intent on making David the center of the Alien universe, and I'm gonna call it now. David will be the Space Jockey.

I have to wonder if Scott is just becoming cynical.

Like Prometheus, this film ended on a semi-cliffhanger, teasing us that we will get our answers in the sequel. But we didn't get any answers to the giant questions left at the end of Prometheus, why should I wait another three to five years for the answers to this that will likely again, only raise questions and answer nothing. It is everything wrong with Hollywood these days. This movie is a corporate product, and we are to keep throwing money at it with the fleeting hope that it may satisfy, eventually.

The immense advertising and marketing campaign for Covenant was entirely dishonest.

I get the feeling Fox forced Scott to make this an Alien film, so he threw an Alien in to hardly be seen. Far more interested in Androids and philosophy, and turning everything we know on its head for the sake of doing so.

Essentially, this film ruins the mystery of the Alien in the same way Prometheus ruined the mystery of the Space Jockey. Scott said in interviews "No one bothered to ask about the man in the chair." OF COURSE WE DID, and everyone had their own answer for it. That was the beauty of the Space Jockey. It was the ultimate mystery of the Alien Universe. It's the same for the Xenomorph itself, the joy and beauty is that we didn't know where they were from or why they existed, they just were, because space is weird. Hence the name "Alien."

Is it really an "Alien" if it's just the result of an insane android? And for those who never liked the idea of Cameron's Aliens as bugs, David LITERALLY USES BUGS TO CREATE THE XENOMORPH.

I'm tempted to just agree with Dan O'Bannon when he said about the Alien subsequent films:

"I'd like to see it stop. A horror movie's a fragile thing, and once you've gotten past the original, it isn't scary anymore. So you do a bunch of sequels to a horror movie, all they do is drain any remaining impact out of the original. All of the sequels to for instance Invasion Of The Bodysnatchers, same thing; they over-expose the ideas, and when you look at the original, it's not as effective as it would have been if you had just left it alone."

But no, I do think the Alien has lasting power as a franchise, and sometimes you can have too much studio questioning of a director as seemed to be the case with Alien³. But I think Scott is engaged in the Lucas effect here. His reputation is a double edged sword that he's surrounded by yes-men, none of whom would ever have the balls to say "I think this might not be the best idea, Ridley."

For those who were complaining about Neil Blomkamp's Alien film retconning the series, what do you think Scott is doing? Honestly, the franchise is so expansive is convoluted now that I think it would be best to just do away with canon. Have the films be like the Comics, they all tell their own stories in their own universes. Neil even said he didn't want to diminish Alien³ or Resurrection with his film, and yet, Scott wanted to make sure nothing Neil did interfered with his. It seems Scott is intent to keep this franchise to himself, I only hope someone higher at Fox will realize that it may be time to let other creatives have their shots, some who will treat the Xenomorph with the respect it deserves.

While Covenant may have been well crafted from a technical standpoint, what anyone would expect from a Ridley Scott film, it didn't seem to have to passion and respect for the Alien that even the AVP films had. Those knew what they were, they were comic book / video game style movies that added to the mythos, without stepping on the toes of any of the other films.

Covenant takes away from the franchise, making countless expanded universe stories and fan speculations invalid in favor of the worst possible explanation for the origin of the Xenomorph. One so bad, I don't remember any fan thinking of it before Covenant, which is unfortunately, likely exactly why Scott wanted to go for it. The beauty of the Alien is in its simplicity and its mystery, that's where its elegance lies. You turn it into a mutant experiment and you've essentially made Alien go full Resident Evil.

Although I was more receptive to the ideas of Spaiths' script for an Alien Prequel, these films have made me realize that the Alien series should not have prequels. They undermine the most important elements of the Xenomorph and Space Jockey, their mystery. That's the kind of mystery that's good. Mystery that is in the background and serves the plot, not mystery that the plot hinges upon. The mystery that we see in Prometheus and Covenant is just lazy storytelling, lazy screenwriting, and misses the point of Alien. You're going to make Prometheus on the premise of exploring the Engineers, and then go nowhere with it? What? Prometheus is essentially pointless now and Alien Covenant was just one giant detour to pick up David and wonder what he'll do next.

My former film teacher put it nicely: Prometheus was a noble failure, Covenant just fails.

Ok, I gotta stop myself, I'm venting now. so here's the TLDR for anyone who just scrolled to the bottom.

PROS:
-Good production design, cool spaceship, suits, and sets.
-Characters were more human and likable than in Prometheus. Really enjoyed Tennessee.
-Gory and brutal
-Interesting conversations with David, although excessive
-The music was a well done throwback to the original, like Predators had.

CONS:
-No satisfying answers to Prometheus
-Poor character development
-People making even less intelligent decisions than in Prometheus
-Completely screwed up lifecycle.
-Almost no Alien, no practical effects, both times it's dispatched quickly by the crew.
-Obsession with android pseudo-philosophy.
-Leaves us waiting for a sequel, again.
-Ruins the mystery of the Xenomorph
-Most predictable twist ever.
-Like Prometheus, seemingly doesn't know what it wants to be.

WHY?:
-Why did David release the the pathogen on the Engineer city?
-Why were the pathogen's effects on the Engineers different than what we saw in Prometheus?
-Why did David kill Shaw?
-How did David create the Xenomorphs?
-Why did the Juggernaut crash?
-Why do the engineers, an advanced space-faring civilization, only live in one city where giant gates trap them in the courtyard?
-If David creates the Xenomorphs, why were they alluded to in multiple murals in Prometheus?
-Still waiting to know why the Engineers wanted to kill us or what those maps in caves were about.
-David couldn't repair the Juggernaut with all his newfound knowledge of the Engineers?

Final Score: 5/10

AVP3, Alien 5, and The Predator can't come soon enough.

Alan Dean Foster has his work cut out for him.
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ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT review... You managed to put into words all the feelings I had towards (and against) this movie... It has become quite apparent that Fox just wants to milk this franchise and the fans, and all the asinine ideas put in this movie in unnecessary prequels, especially this one, that unnecessarily link to ALIEN, are sheer proof that they are just throwing stuff at walls and see what sticks... This movie was butchered both in editing, and in detaching itself as much as possible from the previous movie it was a sequel to... Ridley is actually a very good director but not on Alien anymore... He made the best one, the original, more than 35 years ago, but now he is just weighing it down with forced existential, religious babble into a saga that required none... The SpaceJockey, the Xenos, were mysterious and ought to have remained as such especially regarding their origins... Dan O'Bannon was spot on in that quote of yours, that the original movie did not require sequels nor prequels... But Hollywood loves to milk to the bone singular successes and turn it into cash flows on the backs of fans of the original like you and me and everyone here...

Russ840

Russ840

#792
Lol yeah, one film in 5 years is definitely milking it.

cliffhanger

cliffhanger

#793
Well i've just watched tne movie. Oh boy. What can I say.
I HATED it. abso-f**king-lutely hated it.

Here's why.

Let me deal with the good firstly.

What i did like about the movie;

I liked the visual work. I loved how the Covenant looked, i loved how the Derelict looked, I love how the city looked.
I liked Fassbender's roles. It was interesting to see him as both David and Walter, and it was even more interesting to see them fighting.

Honestly, that's it. And that's really the problem here.

I was SO hyped for this movie. I think i haven't been more disappointed in any movie ever period.
This had all the possibilities to be grand, magnificient. It was completely empty and forgettable.

Where to begin?

Well, first of all, the loss of captain was an interesting start but executed very, very bad. Like the hibernation pod was a absolute
gold-bank safehouse, completely shut, and a fire is able to house there. There was no oxygen, and the small amount of oxygen that
might have been there is in no way capable of causing such a blazing fire that went - nowhere. it came from nowhere, it burnt nothing
but the inhabitant, and the pod itself kept intact. it was silly beyond words, and vastly not believable. Its also rather rediculous that the
pod simply didn't open as a failsafe. Above all, the entire act/scene was unneccesary. You could have had franco as the captain throughout
the movie, or simply never ever have had him there in the first place and have oram there and that's it. it added zero.
It only gave way for the end 'shock' reveal that wasnt a shock at all.

then picking up the signal was clumsy too. why have the crewmember accidentally pick it up? Why even have the 'blocker' on the ship at all?
Simply have the ship recieve the signal and period. it was unneccesary.

The approach stuff was ok. Then they set out to check out on the planet. Oram behaved weird without reason imho. The seedpod infection was
clumsy and executed poorly. Why not simply have him infected and when getting infected feel a pain in the ear.

and really, the gay guy pushes his face in and sniffs up the stuff? what was that all about.
matter of fact, david later explains that all non-botanical stuff died from the pathogen. then explain how some seedpod is an alien-like infecting hazard?

there could have been a great moment in regards to the crashed ship.but it was forgettable at best. there could and should have been much more there, there wasn't. the infected guy trampling was acted lousy af. i was also highly annoyed with them able to communicate with the outside.
during alien and aliens, there was ZERO ability to communicate when they were in the derelict, despite having technology decades newer.

the backbursting scene was vastly underwhelming. the scratch her to death scene was silly. the keep shooting like a dumbass scene was well...dumb.
the grass fighting scene was chaotic and hard to follow, walter saving daniels was interesting but didnt add much.

the david appearance scene was cool. the scene walking in between the dead corpses could have been fcking amazing but was really left too much without attention. lot of missed potential there.

the david-walter scene was good though. i liked it.

the storytelling of what happened was ok, but could have been fcking epic. that scene of the juggernaut approaching was very interesting and visually fantastic. the vase dropping was insanely cool, but it all passed so slow and really without sufficient context that it actually was forgettable. what a waste. the 'engineer' death scene was clumsy and not at all morbid or unnerving.

also, there was NOTHING of story there. so much potential, so much to get from the civilization - NOTHING. absolutely nothing.
i also reall missed the prologue part, it should have been in there and would have done a lot more. Shaw was really not at all in the movie.

the grown neomorph approaching looked odd moving about. it killing the girl washing her face was really crappy. it looked messy and odd,
and her head fully intact floating around in the sink was stupid and again, unneccesary.
it was eating her corpse but it didnt do anything etiher.

i think it would have been much more interesting if it would have wrapped its tail around her leg, grabbed her from behind so she couldnt move, and then did something bad to her would have been better, and then eating from her, though i must say i fail to see what that added at all to it all (the eating).

it looked very fake when standing in front of david. i dont get why nothing happened. oram gave it a good treatment though, it was interesting watching david's response though, but then it was absolutely crap how oram followed him.

after watching what happened, he should have called for backup immediately and definately not follow david and trusting his every word.

david throwing rocks at oram was amateurish too, childish. it did nothing but show a brat like annoyed, bored behaviour instead of a calculated in control machinal psychopath with a motive.

the other guys then getting in contact with the facehugger that was removed way too easily, also the facehugger moved way too fluently. then the sudden xeno reveal. that could have been magnificient, but it somehow only looked like it was a really big, really heavy black thing like some alien panther.

walter then discovering what david did was interesting. the shaw discovery was interesting, but it could have been so, so so much more it was like just some random thing, whilst it was the main character of the past movie. judging by her open belly, we can assume david used her for the egg stuff so there should have been gigantic stuff there. nothign. nothing explained in a worthwile way, not even the many different neomorphs.

how did they come about? from animals? from the engineers? no story, nothing. a standing disected engineer. nothing.
so much material, so little done with it.

the fight was great, i really thought he was gone (walter) but this was fantastic. a great battle. unfortunately, it was COMPLETELY obvious that when walter should have terminated david, that david was going to win in the end.

especially when later on seeing 'walter' and how he behaved.

the transporter vehicle scene then on the other hand took ages and how it ended the life of the xeno was really really lame and disappointing. especially that it maintained intact, simply just lightly smoking. jeesh.

then we get the point that 'mother' was offline. i was seriously expecting the scene that they were playing cards - nothing of that.
then we get to the point that daniels gets called awake by mother.

they then discover the remains of the guy that had the facehugger, so the facehugger must have actually dumped its embryo.
and there's a huge problem too. with oram, it took a few minutes at best, perhaps 15 or 30 tops before it emerged.

also, that scene in particular was annoying. oram was way too conscious, it got out before he really noticed, and then it exited with legs, tail, arms all intact. completely different to it's original snake-like origin, and oram was wayy too long in spasms or alive. and it responding to david was above all nonsensical. but anyway, with oram, it took a few minutes. in this case it took HOURS and HOURS. it took a serious amount of time after the facehugging scene before getting aboard the transporter ship, then it took a serious amount of time before the transporter ship ditched the alien and docked with the covenant, then they all had chats and stuff, daniels put some stuff on his face to 'lap him up',  she then later on starts baking eggs or something, and then goes to bed, and was good asleep before getting a unidentified lifeform warning.

it took way too long before the alien popped.

then the shower scene was also lame. it was for a minute interesting to see what happened to the guy, but the girl should have runned for dear life. nope.
massacred like a bish, and no red lights nothing. you're under the shower? you're gonna miss getting notified there's a meteor going to hit the ship and you need to get to a safe haven. what bs.

then the monitor facebiting scene was.....well....i dont know, what it added. the stairway crawling scene was clumsy, it LOOKED like it's back dorsals simply clipped, it didnt, but it looked like that and i think that's a bit crappy to be honest.

i never really saw the alien in full decent glory. daniels outran it somehow. it was also easily trapped in the truck, really unbelievable.
the audi commercial showed it crawiling on the cieling '4 meters above you', looked great, never saw that.

why didnt the alien or daniels get sucked into space when the door went open?

how on earth did the alien 'jump back' out of thin air towards daniels? the alien got so unlucky that he got hit by the spikes of the truck, and daniels simply ducked and thats it? nah men.

we all knew it was david btw instead of walter because of his emotional behaviour.
the scene of daniels geting put into cryo was ok, i liked the hush scene but it really ended tennessee and daniels fate rather grim and empty, and made all their hard work for nothing - just like what happened to shaw, really.

the scene where david vomits some transparent tiny facehugger pills was bs too. really? what the.

this movie was underwhelming and i understand why it does less then prometheus right now. its a enormeous disappointment.



Vorennaal

Vorennaal

#794
Alien Covenant is all about interesting and bizarre ways, and I am deeply shocked to hear how people got stuck in pitiful things. What is the black glue? Why does the alien have shorter incubation periods? I think these questions are meaningless. These are part of the story, but the real thing is, how one mistake leads to another. David, as a soulless being not able to understand the main concept of greatness. In his point of view an indestructible xenomorph is much like a musical Instruments of fine art. Because he is soulless (imperfect) generally doesnt understand the concept of real art, his point of view is; a plastic bag, an artificial womb built by science can produce higher entities. Because in his mind, perfection equal imortality and invulnerability. Imortality and invulnerability does not equal perfection. David stuck at the level of material (practical) thinking, He is nothing more than an imperfect creation of industrial mechanism much like the xenomorph itself.
The false idea of perfect human creation always leads us to blaspheme against the holy spirit. Leads us to what we can call...ALIEN.

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