then i go on here and it says they gona shut it down? no sierras shutting down their server,people still make there own servers , how many more time,s do we have to repeat ourselves for all the people who dont understand how online games work 1. companys make a few public servers when the game is in infancy they usualy get rid of these when they see popularity failing or the game has gotten old so you realy think steam owns over a thousand servers think of the vast majority are publicly owned 2.those who wish to run non standard servers or have control of the idiots (ie able to kick without a vote system or run clan ladder matche,s)and gameplay create their own .thus either renting a server or using a spare server orientated system from home hope this clarifys the issue again !!!all sierra are doing is not giving support to said games in the list or having a public server so expect no patches or even a sierra server the game will still work online and in lan just as avp still works