Alien: Romulus Catch-All Thread

[Local Trouble]

As I said in one of the locked ralfy threads:

It would have been helpful to the story if Gorman was shown insisting that Bishop accompany them to the surface despite Bishop reminding him that he's supposed to remain on board the Sulaco in case something goes wrong.  It would have been perfectly in line with Gorman's character at that point.

[Highland]

Are you talking about the air duct that Newt led them to?

It literally just lifts off too and Newt already knows about the vent system. Whole scene is kinda whacko when you sit and think about it 

[SiL]

It's not like the marines' hubris is a theme in the movie or anything.

Alien also doesn't happen without Kane sticking his face in an egg, so it must be equally inexcusable; and if we can say "oh, well the plot would happen the same way if something else happened", we can just as easily say the plot of Aliens would simply transpire in the time it took the b team to get to the planet.

[Highland]

I just realised again thinking about it that Hudson gets grabbed from a vent underground that's not even part of the original ambush.

Local trouble - Ill give her a C+

I'll give Kane a pass, but Oram is possibly the dumbest man in the universe.

[BlueMarsalis79]

Military protocol either being dumbfoundingly idiotic or just being ignored's not equivocalable to whatever prisoners or underpaid truckers decide on, it's not the same.

I am not one for competency porn but, I think seeing the Aliens go up against a prepared and intelligent force might make them more fearsome by comparison, especially after the diminishing returns if they can still hold their ground.

[SiL]

The only part of Aliens that hinges on there being no b team is Ripley going into the hive onwards. Saying the whole movie rests on it is disingenuous at best.

[BlueMarsalis79]

The whole plot's down to them being stuck on Acheron, if they had a logical operation with a custodian on the Sulaco or several, nothing's stopping them from just evacuating.

[SiL]

we can just as easily say the plot of Aliens would simply transpire in the time it took the b team to get to the planet.

The Sulaco's in space, in orbit. Contrive a reason it takes several hours to get there -- it's a sci-fi, it's not exactly hard. Have the processor as a ticking time bomb as in the finished film.

That nobody's there to pick them up isn't the important part; that it takes long enough to evacuate that Burke can try his plan and the Aliens can overrun the colony is. Whether it's because Bishop has to crawl across the colony or it just takes a while for the rescue team to show up isn't actually relevant.

Works best with the theatrical version of events but even the DC works.

[The Cruentus]

Can I just add; even if Ash hadn't overridden Ripley's order to uphold quarantine procedures, it would have made no difference to the outcome; within the 24 hour quarantine, Kane would have popped, leaving the following outcomes;

1: Ripley maintains quarantine leaving Dallas and Lambert in an airlock with a creature that will rapidly grow and annihilate them. Ripley opens the outer airlock to let it outside/get rid of it, and it simply hitches a ride on the hull until it finds a way inside.

2: She caves to her emotional attachment and opens the door, and the xeno is now inside.

3: Parker and Brett rig some flame units thinking they can kill it and open the inner door. The xeno is now inside.

4: the xeno pops and escapes the airlock, choosing either inside or outside, but the end result is the same as scenario 1 & 2.

The only hopeful option would be to keep it locked in the airlock until in space, then open the outer door and hope the decompression pulls it out at speeds like Kanes body was. However since 1; Ripley doesn't know that it can survive in a vacuum, and 2; she is also unaware of the acid blood and its ability to get through hull/bulkheads with ease...

It always gets inside.

Not really.

There is a few other factors. They witness it popping out of kane and try killing it, obviously there will collateral damage due to the acid blood but they may succeed since its just a chestburster at that stage.

Ripley tells Dallas and Lambert to hold on to something or strap themselves in (if there are something like that in there and they are in space at the time) and she simply ejects what is still a chestburster that can't cling on to anything.

Even the adult might not be able to do so. The only reason the adult alien was able to cling to the shuttle was because it was still connected via a harpoon.

Not leaving a custodial staff on board the Sulaco's by far the dumbest thing in Aliens, and it's the most inexcusable because it had to happen for the overall plot.

Its probably all automated. The APC had a transmitter to summon the other dropship but it got wasted.

[SiL]

The Sulaco is automated, yes.

Even if they left another squad on the ship, it doesn't necessarily stop the story happening:

Marines escape the hive and are able to alert the b team about what happened, and that their drop ship is en route for immediate evacuation. They'll be back on the Sulaco after picking up Bishop.

Drop ship crashes as per film, rendering marines unable to communicate with Sulaco.

Since the marines have just confirmed there's a dangerous parasitic organism on the planet, and then promptly went silent, they don't even know if the b team will try to extract them or assume they're lost.

After several hours the marines start to think they're not getting extracted. With the processor ready to blow, Bishop goes to the colony transmitter.

Bishop connects with the Sulaco. Because of the biohazard of the Aliens, the b team won't attempt extraction. They've been waiting to see if they could resume communications.

On account of the whole quarantine risk, Bishop requests to remote pilot a drop ship. The survivors will be quarantined in the hangar bay.

Movie happens as usual, since the hangar will be empty Ripley still has to yeet the Queen herself.

Really the only movie that hinges on there being no b team is Alien ³.

[Still Collating...]

The whole plot's down to them being stuck on Acheron, if they had a logical operation with a custodian on the Sulaco or several, nothing's stopping them from just evacuating.

True, but if the Nostromo had more lifeboats, a lot more survivors would've made it off. Parker and Lambert would've lived. Mistakes and incompetence are a trademark of the universe by now.

[Feeds On Minds]

It's almost as if Aliens is poorly written 80's action shlock, but with ground breaking special effects...

[Thatguy2068]

It's almost as if Aliens is poorly written 80's action shlock, but with ground breaking special effects...

Wow, people not enjoying aliens as much as other movies. Considering Aliens as that... damn

[The Cruentus]

The whole plot's down to them being stuck on Acheron, if they had a logical operation with a custodian on the Sulaco or several, nothing's stopping them from just evacuating.

True, but if the Nostromo had more lifeboats, a lot more survivors would've made it off. Parker and Lambert would've lived. Mistakes and incompetence are a trademark of the universe by now.

Parker and Lambert didn't die because of there being limited life-boats. The shuttle had enough room for four people

[SiL]

It's almost as if Aliens is poorly written 80's action shlock, but with ground breaking special effects...

It's not poorly written at all.

The whole plot's down to them being stuck on Acheron, if they had a logical operation with a custodian on the Sulaco or several, nothing's stopping them from just evacuating.

True, but if the Nostromo had more lifeboats, a lot more survivors would've made it off. Parker and Lambert would've lived. Mistakes and incompetence are a trademark of the universe by now.

Parker and Lambert didn't die because of there being limited life-boats. The shuttle had enough room for four people

Ripley explicitly says it can't take 4. Even 3 is pushing capacity, hence needing the coolant.