Favourite Alien Movie?

[BlueMarsalis79]

The response Coco got:

Yeah I agree that Hicks and Newt are overrated. Hicks is the only one to survive because he's the only Marine that doesn't display some form of a bad attitude about anything at any point, while the rest all gives us a little slither of a reason at one time or another to not feel too bad about them not making it. He's only interesting when he has to take charge and seems competent, big wow, after Gorman lost control. And he got to heroically jump through a window.

Newt has that "They're dead! Ok can I go now?" and that's it. It's just an excuse to have a kid menaced by the monster. Very manipulative but effective. I don't think Fincher can be accused of using Newt's death to arbitrarily put a grim pall over his film any more than Cameron is guilty of shoehorning an inherently sympathetic character into his own movie in order to provoke an emotion in the audience.

But surviving the end of this movie by default of being the least offensive and the most vulnerable character respectively doesn't make them indispensable. I don't buy that "We had relationships with them and then Fincher flushed them down the toilet" claim that some fans make.

I get what you're all saying, but it is written as a response to criticisms not just as an appraisal from someone who feels that the same criticisms can be applied to each film anyway, most characters are identifiable, with a handful standing out amongst a larger cast that's functionally interchangeable, for the most part.
Clones may be going a bit overboard yes, but I know, as probably most, that's an exaggeration in response to criticisms of the other film. Finding Hicks dull in comparison to Clemens' or Dillon's not a crime.

But it's a bit disingenuous to say she didn't praise the film,

For the record, I fukin loved the movie. It was incredible. I honestly loved it more than I did the original.

being that she comments on the video audio aspects in that post,

Plus holy shit was the cinematography fantastic.

and compliments the cast

They were oozing with personality.

or that she must be being disingenuous herself as she discusses the genre change as part of them being unceremoniously killed off.

[SiL]

The praise is almost all contextualised in saying "but what about this OTHER movie?"

She said she liked it and the cinematography. The praise of the prisoner personalities (Gregor is such a character!) is framed within attacking Aliens.

And that reply she got about Newt equally misses the mark. I don't care about the characters much either but way to completely miss the story's underlying theme.

[Local Trouble]

That review reads like it was written by an edgy twelve year old. It's the "no, u" school of defence - "Nuh uh, Alien 3 wasn't disrespectful, Aliens was! The characters in Alien 3 weren't faceless, the characters in Aliens were!"

it doesn'tt actually praise the movie, just shits on another one to make it look good by comparison.

Uh-oh.

[Cocolyte]

The praise is almost all contextualised in saying "but what about this OTHER movie?"

She said she liked it and the cinematography. The praise of the prisoner personalities (Gregor is such a character!) is framed within attacking Aliens.

I mean, yeah. I'm criticizing Aliens. All the criticism I see directed at Alien 3 is unfairly NOT shown to Aliens, which it needs to be because it's a shallow and convoluted film.

[SiL]

Kind of comes across like you don't like Alien 3 so much as the idea that liking it over Aliens means something special.

Why not praise Alien 3 in your Alien 3 review and criticise Aliens in an Aliens review? It hardly makes Alien 3 looks good when the nicest thing you have to say is "yeah  well Aliens is a bad movie!"

[Cocolyte]

Kind of comes across like you don't like Alien 3 so much as the idea that liking it over Aliens means something special.

Why not praise Alien 3 in your Alien 3 review and criticise Aliens in an Aliens review? It hardly makes Alien 3 looks good when the nicest thing you have to say is "yeah  well Aliens is a bad movie!"

My "review" was in the context of people arguing about Aliens and Alien 3, so it was about that.


It is true though. I get off on liking Alien 3 over Aliens.

[BlueMarsalis79]

"You can't actually love Alien³ so you must think liking it over Aliens makes you special."

[SiL]

What I actually said was "you don't seem to have anything nice to say about the movie itself on its own merits despite claiming to love it".

One can absolutely love Alien 3. They're all lovable in their own ways.

[BlueMarsalis79]

Actually what you wrote was:

Kind of comes across like you don't like Alien 3 so much as the idea that liking it over Aliens means something special.

[[cancerblack]]

The f**k's going on in here?

[SiL]

Actually what you wrote was:

Kind of comes across like you don't like Alien 3 so much as the idea that liking it over Aliens means something special.

Yes, with the context being that it comes across like that because, etc.

Nothing resembling

"You can't actually love Alien³ so you must think liking it over Aliens makes you special."

The f**k's going on in here?

Persecution fetish.

[BlueMarsalis79]

Actually what you wrote was:

Kind of comes across like you don't like Alien 3 so much as the idea that liking it over Aliens means something special.

Yes, with the context being that it comes across like that because, etc.

Nothing resembling

"You can't actually love Alien³ so you must think liking it over Aliens makes you special."

Yes because I was playfully mocking you being an absolute nonce innit?

One's an insinuation, the other declaration, that's the real difference. 

The f**k's going on in here?

Persecution fetish.

To a new memba as well, the shame of it.

[SiL]

Yes because I was playfully mocking you being an absolute nonce innit?

If you didn't have a history off getting overly defensive about Alien 3 I could see that, but it just comes across as a strawman.

To a new memba as well, the shame of it.

I never said whose. (Edit: for clarity, mine; I'm being self deprecating)

You might also notice I stopped replying to them when they explained why they wrote the review they did. It made sense, I moved on.

[BlueMarsalis79]

I'm making an effort to be more aggressive than defensive, with my point of view instead, now that Coco's shown me nostalgia's indeed got no bearing on it.

I have a lot of fetishes but that's not one of them.

[SiL]

Thank you for giving a heads up that you will actively be making any discussion about Alien 3 even more exhausting than it already is, that's what we all need and a healthy way to enjoy something.