Quote from: PVTDukeMorrison on Jul 21, 2015, 12:19:57 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 21, 2015, 12:02:33 AM
James Cameron's going to bomb ISIS? That would be amazing... huh David Cameron? Who the hell is that?
Quote from: PVTDukeMorrison on Jul 20, 2015, 05:26:13 PM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jul 20, 2015, 04:09:44 PM
Any of you guys has comments on David Cameron speech on ISIS do you think his ways could work my opinion is that UK should not interfere in Syria but get other Arab states to get involved like the UAE.
It's a sound idea, you're just forgetting that Arabs can't fight wars. Their "professional" military's are garbage, the only forces who have any sort of combat capabilities are groups like the Kurdish YPG, the only problem is that there's not enough of them. Anytime the Iraqi military has gone up against ISIS they retreat and leave all their US weaponry behind. One of the main reasons you see ISIS with things like TOW missiles is because the Iraqis leave the moment they hear a group of ISIS fighters is heading their way and they leave all their shit behind.
Shit even ISIS is dogshit when it comes to fighting wars, they captured a few monkey model Abrams tanks with enough fuel and ammo to last a few months and what do they do? They blow them up in a propaganda video. They still use WW1 infantry charge tactics for Christ sake and they're still kicking the shit out of a relatively modernized army. If a western power were to go full boots on the ground ISIS would revert back to living in caves and planting IEDs at night.
The truth is they simply do not have the will to fight and we do not have the will to fight for them either. I do wonder where the arbitrary line in the sand is drawn though, the point at which we do make war.
The line will probably never be drawn, at least not for a while. War hasn't been politically popular since WWII, and as long as the media has access to front line footage they'll find every way to twist it into "the West is the bad guys, pull the troops out of buttf**kistan". Sure war is ugly, but sometimes it needs to be fought, and while it's become apparent you can never outright destroy groups like ISIS, you can at least suppress them.
Speaking of, apparently ISIS groups are infiltrating the Balkans. Who the f**k in ISIS woke up and said, "hey lets f**k with the Balkans, those guys get scared and subdued easy, I bet they are also pussies who will run from war". It's like they behead a few dudes on camera and suddenly they think they have a handle on atrocities enough to go toe to toe with the Balkans.
The guy who read that the two world wars had ties to the Balkan theater, probably. For as dumb as that sounds that is how western ISIS members think. Same thing with the Abrams tanks, for as well built and deadly as they are, it still needs a well trained crew, spare parts and being a dessert environment, a high level of maintenance. All they could do was blow it up for propaganda.
This is what pisses me off about how we conduct war for the past 70 years. When you make war you do it to win war and that means a full surrender of enemy forces unless it is mutuality beneficial to both side to call it off. When you have the overwhelming advantage you use it. I still can't believe the idea of "united nations police action" that was the Korean war, the entire hands off of major supply routes in Vietnam and then having the media portray them as resistance fighters chain ganging supplies to the battle front. The simple truth is that the US military was barred from engaging them. Even the news media's coverage of the slaughter of the Iraqi army that made GHB stop the war prematurely. What the hell was the brass thinking allowing the (studio) media a font row seat to war?
The one thing that I can't stand is this blind eye that way too many people put to the truth. A solider is a weapon. The art of soldiery is to commit mass murder. This peace keeping bullshit has got to go; you want peace keeping send in the cops. War is ugly but soldiers have a job that they are well trained to do, we should let them do that job when called forth.
As ISIS goes, something needs to be done and boots need to go onto the ground before they actually get f**king organized. I just don't see the wisdom of letting this shit simmer like this. The political atmosphere of course isn't going to let that happen. No one wanted to pull troops out of Iraq but it's true, the American Public isn't going to support military action until it swims up and bites us on the ass. I don't know about the rest of you guys but I can't stand seeing people getting their heads cut off in droves. Of course with the last round of sequestration cuts and another round to happen in October... shit what's the point of arguing I suppose.