Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 01, 2015, 11:55:39 AM
Granted. But bringing the actual Dutch in, without replicating the backstory for a new character, brings some weight in. And some over-arcing continuity which the Predator films lack.
If there's a reason, sure. But most of the ideas revolving around Dutch returning seem to amount to it being a good idea because... Dutch returns. There needs to be more of a reason for it than just pure nostalgia.
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Jul 01, 2015, 12:22:34 PM
Maybe like predator 2 is that dutch is Peter Keyes and you see him in the point of Harrigan and instead of the showdown between him and THE CITY HUNTER you seem Arnold vs THE CITY HUNTER
That was apparently the original plan for the second film, but I'm relieved it didn't happen. Keyes was not a very well-written character. Very superficial.
Quote from: pred169 on Jul 01, 2015, 12:53:05 PM
What is it with you and fan service.... Everytime someone mentions tying in a previous movie to an upcoming movie 9r adding an element in that could tie the two together that all you have to say is "no...then it would just be fan service."
I have?
QuoteYou do realize the point of doing sequels IS fan service.
The point of sequels is to generate money.
Fox doesn't care if the creative team involved are fans or not. They don't even care if some of that money comes from pre-existing fans or not, so long as a profit is there.
QuoteThe original is put out to test the waters and see how much money they can make. Then if it's liked they do a sequel banking on FANS returning to see yet another film. If it weren't for the fans they wouldn't do a sequel. There are several films that had plans of sequels and because the first one tanked there were no others produced. Fans dictate the length of a film franchise....not continuity. Yes continuity is important but when its all said and done its about money...thus fan service is the ultimate plot point to any sequel. So my question is why complain about fan service. Did you not seek out this forum and join because you are a "fan"? Do you not read the novels and watch the older movies repeatedly because you're a fan? I hated economics in college you don't see me picking up an economic digest today. But I loved the alien and predator films and I'll sit and watch them over over. As well as read the novels. Food for thought.
Fans are seen as 'loosely dependable' income (and of possible assistance in generating publicity hype), but a studio generally aims a sequel at casual film-goers. That's where the
real money is to be found. Their view is that if they're lucky enough to
recruit new fans, that's what the merchandise sales are there for.
Very few properties have enough active fans to be able to rely upon them to generate profit. A studio generally
has to look well beyond them. Even then, most will just be casual fans who happen to think favourably of something, rather than dedicated hardcore folk who are busy on Internet forums and vacuuming up action figures and stuff.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 01, 2015, 01:55:03 PM
Again, I thought the original idea of having him fulfil the Keyes role in Predator 2 had merit. Would be fun to see Dutch twisted into some kind of Ahab by his experiences, consumed with hatred for the Predators. Could probably still get away with casting him in a part like that, so long as it didn't involve him punching a Predator in the face.
See, that's where we'd differ. That whole subtext of animosity/disrespect for Dillon getting involved in that side of it, makes me think Dutch going down that road would be
very out of character.
I also see him as having enough military experience and common sense to not be fooled into a vengeance crusade. He didn't have a hate-on for Russians/whoever. He'd been in
lots of covert operations. He'd know that, even if Predators are periodically coming to this planet, the one which took out
his crew is dead.
Consultation role? I don't see that being
offered to him. Anything valuable he knew of (which was very little) would have been dealt with in debriefing - they already detailed that during the second film.
If anything, they probably already
had access to a number of military specialists who have also encountered the things, well before he ever did. Probably decades before. If they're often sighted during combat with enough history to be regarded as legends, that seems highly likely.
Anyway, why even set it in the modern day? It could be set in the past. They could even play with the legendary aspect and do a twist on '
The Keep', with Nazi personnel on one of their many hunts for occult assets. There is even the in-built historical accuracy of them having expeditions to places like South America. Even wrap it into the old long-persisting rumours about them having had access to a crashed UFO. All sorts of possibilities.
To me, there isn't any real need for Dutch to feature in another story, because it wouldn't do anything to drive the
story forward. Predators wouldn't know/care about him, he's the polar opposite of an obsessed Ahab personality and he seemed to find the intelligence community and politics as unlikeable (at best).