Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 03:17:08 AM
You can say that, if you like. Just don't expect everyone to buy it, because many people will think it's a stupid idea that makes no sense and lacks any substance whatsoever.
I have Fox saying it's canon (however shallow their words are) which is much more than what fans have fighting for their arguments. Also the entire "only movies are canon" argument is possibly the worst explanation I've heard mention on this site, NOT because the idea itself is dumb, but because in order to use it properly people go through a maze of double standards and hypocrisies; one only needs to mention the AVP films to expose the twisted reality of this proclaimed truth.
The reason people say "only movies are canon" and not "only SOME movies are canon" is because that single word "SOME" has the power to cast doubt over their entire argument; it implies that their standards of justification is faulty and that films such as fan-favorites Alien, Aliens, and Predator may be considered non-canon as well while hated films such as Alien Resurrection and Predator 2 have more firepower over the ones fans want to be on top. In order to resolve this, fans will either have to admit that this line of reasoning is either incorrect if they want to preserve the dignity of the original films or they will have to admit that the EU may be considered canon as well.
Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 03:17:08 AM
QuoteWhat really gets me is how the writer for these new AVP series comics say that he's simply not going to include the AVP movies in his canon simply because the fan community says so.
Did he actually say that? Even if he did, you don't know what form that'll take. It may simply ignore the films (ie. the events don't follow Bouvet/ Gunnison and the characters aren't Lex, Dallas, pizza boy, Ripley clone and Newt clone), but not outright negate their existance. Could be like the Sacrifice comic for example. No direct link to any film character or event. Not even the Company rates a mention.
And if they do choose to negate the films - that's a commercial decision they have to live with, but one not many people will ultimately lose sleep over; the films aren't well liked. Even by people who like them. Might also be a licensing decision - they may not have access to the AvP film license - despite the fact it was born out of them combining the two creatures in the first place.
Yes, he actually said that in one of the links; he mentioned that he would not reference the AVP films cause the fan community likes to think of it as in its own bubble. It's not the action of ignoring the films themselves that I'm upset about, it's the reasoning behind them; as I said before, if the AVP movies don't fit then they don't fit. However if they can fit and might even enhance the story, then there's no reason why they should be removed at the story's expense simply because they come from an unpopular background.
Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2013, 03:17:08 AM
QuoteIn the end, what I'm saying is that stories deserve to be told for what they are and shouldn't have to make adjustments to what people want, that doesn't determine a good story, it's what comes into a writer's mind in its truest form that really sells.
Which directly flies in the face of what you've been saying about Ridley Scott and Prometheus. If he changed his story to conform with AvP, wouldn't that be it being adjusted to what YOU - the fan, whose demands should be ignored - want?
I'm still convinced that Ridley Scott altered the Alien Prequel idea into Prometheus because he was afraid the modern casual audience didn't care about the title anymore; it's why they rebooted Star Trek and remade so many movies, and Ridley's following the trend. My conspiracy theories aside, however, the answer to your question is no; it's a very different thing creating your own story true to your heart and following film continuity. A scriptwriter can write from the heart for a future Alien film, but it DOESN'T mean he can choose to resurrect Ripley without giving a decent explanation for it (if any exists at all); there are rules and requirements that are placed implicitly on people who want to add to an already established franchise and they should be enforced to the strictest extent.