QuoteYou honestly didn't care for Hicks, Newt, or some of the others? You cared more about some rapists? Again, entitled to your own opinion for sure, but it just strikes me as odd is all.
I'm not sympathizing with rapists, child molesters and murderers if that is what you're implying. I cared for them as people within the context of the situation because they felt like real people with real lives - really screwed up lives formed through horrible choices which have brought them to where they are. All vile people but still people nevertheless.
QuoteAs for OZ it was an excellent show. But I think I enjoyed it for other reasons then you. For instance, I never really 'cared' for most of the characters so much as I enjoyed the show because it was like watching a train wreck. Probably the same reason I enjoy watching J.A.I.L. and shows like that.
I watched it for the same reason, but on top of that I also "cared" for a handful of the characters despite their despicable backgrounds. That is what I love about HBO - complex characters that are beyond good and evil, forced to live their lives the way they do because the choices the made, choices forced on them by an indifferent society without any responsibility for their actions... Something like that. It is interesting, it is engaging.
QuoteI actually do enjoy Alien 3, but like I said, I don't care for most of the characters. For me, there was no redemption for the prisoners of Alien 3.... any chance of that was broken when one stood up and claimed he was a murderer and rapist of women. It doesn't matter if they found god or whatever, there was never going to be sympathy or a feeling that these people can help. I will never forget what I thought when I left the theater in 92 after seeing Alien 3, "Well, that was entertaining, but no where near as good as the first two". Alien 3 is better now, yes, thanks to the "directors cut", but it's still has the same issues for me. Senseless killings of Hicks and Newt and a bunch of characters that are "garbage". I will always wish that A3 went a different direction. IMO.
And I respect your opinion and I see your point of view even though I don't share it. The reason I started discussing the whole thing with you is due to the random wanton bashing of
Alien 3 which is pretty common when you deal with
Aliens fans, which I find extremely annoying. I also find extremely cheap and trashy when one of the guys (Randy Pitchford - an
Aliens fan) working with a canonized sequel to
Aliens/Alien 3 talk shit about
Alien 3 like that. Kind of unnerving if you ask me.
Quote from: Iceycold on May 07, 2012, 02:56:40 PM
It's writer said "I killed off Newt because she annoyed me!"
That was mature, was it?
That doesn't make the movie immature, only the writer.
QuoteApart from that; A3 is the sort of film pretentious art students make out of sheer dissatisfaction with their own lives. The "happy ending" of Aliens is done away with, replaced with an angsty teen attitude of "life sucks then you die!"
Don't wanna sound smug but that really cracked me up! Did we even watch the same movie??? Sure, I can see how a disappointed
Aliens fan might find
Alien 3 to be pretentious (if one doesn't like something it is easy to choose to (mis)interpret ambitious for pretentious), but ridden with "angsty teen attitude" etc. I don't get at all. If anything is pubertal and immature then it is the super hero cartoon ending of
Aliens.
QuoteHeroic, or at least sympathetic or relatable characters are disposed of and replaced by...shock!...murderers and rapists. What a bold move! Oooh, how controversial are we, A3 makers? How cutting edge? But also, because we shouldn't judge, one of them is actually a nice guy in the movie! How great are we?
Please
Please what?
QuoteAdd in the total rejection of logic and continuity (as depicted by Aliens) in the first ten minutes, add in endless swearing, and the result? A movie made by moody, rebellious teenagers who like the concept of the Alien but hate the way it's been executed. It's so puerile it's embarrassing.
Wow, you really hate
Alien 3 don't you? Out of all the
Alien 3 bashing yours is the most inventive. Kudos to you!