I've been wanting to address some points as last night I couldn't sleep and read them more on my phone. So if I seem irritable, please understand but I've been wanting to address some things which were mentioned.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 02, 2015, 08:47:34 AM
I quite like the idea of the Engineers being behind the creation of a multitude of lifeforms. I especially like the idea they created the Aliens because that gives the Engineers power. Real power. And malice.
I don't mind the Engineers creating many life forms, but I don't think they should be responsible for creating ALL life. This also includes the Predators, and I will touch up on that later. But as I said, I don't mind the Engineers creating some life in the universe. I also don't mind them being so advanced they posses power other races don't.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 02, 2015, 08:47:34 AM
I don't think it takes away anything from the Aliens - they still have their own series. It just makes the possibilities for Prometheus even greater. If handled properly, anyway. I still think Prometheus as we got it was a clusterf**k.
I don't mind the Engineers creating the Xenomorph. It's something we've long speculated for over twenty years, so that's nothing really new. What I don't like is how it's being handled. The Aliens are completely second flute now, and Fire and Stone sort of shows that-- especially how one Engineer made HILLS of Xenomorph corpses, with his bare hands. I'm not as much as a fan of Alien as I am with Predator, but when the original antagonist of the Alien franchise is made second flute.. Well.. it dethrones the Aliens. It's all about execution and I don't like the way they're executing things.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 02, 2015, 08:47:34 AM
I'm not sure if I like them being responsible for all life though. It takes away variety. But on the flipside of that, the idea that our entire galaxy is their playground could also go well towards making the Engineer even more powerful.
This. This is something which I've been trying to say and you've addressed it on both sides. I am all about variety, let there be variety. Life can happen naturally and artificially. The universe is a big place so why CAN'T life happen without the Engineers? Surely they haven't covered the entire universe and charted it. I don't mind if the Engineers created some life but I would mind it if they created ALL life, especially with the Predators.
For them to really create all life in the universe would further make them and cement them as Galactic Overlords and that's just something I would find very boring and an excuse to put the Engineers on a higher pedestal. Leave some ambiguity. Keep some mystery. I don't want to find out that life in the Alien-Predator universe wouldn't have occurred without the Engineers just because they bored and decide to make new toys.
The Engineers are very powerful as it is, but the Alien-Predator universe isn't Star Wars/Star Trek and doesn't need Galactic Overlords.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 02, 2015, 08:47:34 AM
And whilst I know you want your Predators to remain special and unique, it lends more power and impact to the Predators and Ahab if they are Engineer creations and they go out and hunt down their own creators. I kind of like that.
What's wrong with wanting Predators to remain special and unique? I mean I do understand what you are trying to say in that there is a sense of irony in that the Engineer's creations are trying to kill their own creators but going back to your own doubts, I want to keep variety. Predators should be a part of that variety along with a few other species out there. I mean isn't it enough that Humans and Xenomorphs are results of Engineers being bored and playing with their toys?
As I said, if all life in the Alien-Predator universe was created by the Engineers who more or less are creations themselves by some higher power as hinted by Ridley Scott... then life couldn't, wouldn't have happened on it's own and I just find that to be very, very boring. Nothing would be unique, the Engineers would be overlords, Aliens would be second flute and reduced to genetic screw ups, and Predators would be no different from Humans, Xenomorphs and every other life form out there.
Engineers can be responsible for life, just not ALL life. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Apr 02, 2015, 04:13:19 PM
Hmm, this would only really interest me if it was canon with the upcoming Alien 5 and Prometheus 2. But the aforementioned already have ruled out the AVP films so I can't see them reinstating the Predators back into the Alien universe which tells me that this may be in conflict with the new films which tells me it may not be canon. Otherwise, we will have multiple AVP Galaxies. I can understand separate canons for cross-overs like AVP, but why have multiple AVP canons? Man, I dunno...
Assuming if Blomkamp's Alien movie is ignoring Alien 3 and Resurrection, but not retconning them then this may hint that there maybe an Alien-Predator multiverse. I've got an entire thread about that, though most of it it's thirty pages of debating between myself and Xenomrph, but it discusses on whether or not there is or should be an Alien-Predator multiverse. I would be absolutely thrilled if Blomkamp's movie is an alternate timeline/universe.. That's all I have looking forward to this movie, because it'd establish we have a multiverse.
I am all for multiple AvP canons. Everything would have a place. Fans would be able to pick and follow what they want, and canon nazi's wouldn't say boo about it because it's just different canons. No one would be excluded, no one would be wrong. I've made mentions to a certain Japanese franchise which has eight, and as of April 1st 2015, nine different canons. And that franchise gets along just fine, so why can't Alien-Predator?