SEQUEL NEWS: Fox Struggling with Hiring Writers

Started by Gazz, Mar 27, 2013, 05:50:54 PM

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T Dog

What's wrong with fan ideas?
To be perfectly honest most of our ideas and most of the concept art I've seen posted on this forum are better than the final movie.

Bare in mind that studios like to water everything down and clean everything up.

Darth Vile

Darth Vile

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Quote from: tmjhur on Apr 01, 2013, 12:07:16 PM
Is it that the concept is tired or that it's been badly and unimaginatively executed from Resurrection onwards??????
The concept is tired - IMHO.


Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 01, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 01, 2013, 09:02:27 AMThe idea that 'fans' could make a better movie is nonsense.

Remember that Lindelof is a fan (the biggest, according to him) and the Gearbox crew are fans (even bigger, according to them).
I meant fans who are not actually writers, directors or designers etc.

szkoki

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 27, 2013, 06:50:48 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 27, 2013, 06:42:35 PM,can we not have one sci-fi series that is gritty, harsh and realistic?).

Can we not have a scifi series that is gritty, harsh, fantastical and so nightmarish that it makes everything else out there look like dog piss? :P

I vaguely remember that the producers didnt like Giger's stuff because it was "unrealistic".. (Or was it Ron Cobb, who wanted to design the alien?) ...his stuff seemed to come straight from all our darkest nightmares... the most appealing moments for me of the first alien film were when the crew was going down the "rabbit hole" down into a weird dream... the entire first movie is about the moment where those dark nightmares start invading reality... 

if the franchise wants to have legs, that's what it should have more of, tbh :P not mere repeats of "people getting lost in dark corridors with lurking monsters".

well said, this is where Prometheus and AR failed imo

ChrisPachi

Quote from: Darth Vile on Apr 01, 2013, 04:10:58 PMI meant fans who are not actually writers, directors or designers etc.

Oh, those fans. :P

Writing a fan script is a lot of fun, if you enjoy writing that is. Just a bit of a lark. Have at it I say.

Alien1

The Problem is, where can you take it without it being an Alien Prequel? I think they should just suck it up and make the sequel the direct prequel to Alien... It would make the most sense seeing as the first one was an Alien back story that also confused the hell out of fans of it being an Alien movie or not...

T Dog

It's weird how the hoped for saviour of the series has ended up muddying the waters even more so.

I think we all had such high hopes for Prometheus and when all is said and done I think Resurrection is a better movie, in fact it makes Resurrection a better movie.

Blacklabel

huh? How in hell is Resurrection a better film?  :P

Nightmare Asylum

Quote from: Alien1 on Apr 02, 2013, 03:51:52 PM
The Problem is, where can you take it without it being an Alien Prequel?

Anywhere but LV-426 or Earth ;)

Blacklabel

Blacklabel

#158
Yep. ^

Ideally they should just explain what happened in LV-223 and put a link between those events and the Derelict at LV-426. (My favourite pet theory: Sabotage. A lone Engineer infected a few of his colleagues to defend the fellas back on earth... the Derelict craft got away from the planet but still managed to have a xeno aboard...)
They dont even need to do anything fancy.... just a few lines of dialogue for that backstory would be enough... then they should focus on a stronger stand alone story.

Wernest

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 02, 2013, 06:20:36 PM
Yep. ^

Ideally they should just explain what happened in LV-223 and put a link between those events and the Derelict at LV-426. (My favourite pet theory: Sabotage. A lone Engineer infected a few of his colleagues to defend the fellas back on earth... the Derelict craft got away from the planet but still managed to have a xeno aboard...)
They dont even need to do anything fancy.... just a few lines of dialogue for that backstory would be enough... then they should focus on a stronger stand alone story.

That's so simple but fits so well. Maybe not even a lone engineer, but a group of them. I really like this idea.

Samael

Ultimately the story has to include the following elements, lets just break this down the logical way. How are the engineers connected to the Alien and why is all this connected to the 'Alien' and 'Aliens'. This is what the prequel Prometheus has begun to explain and if you want to turn the whole thing into a trilogy it has to happen just like that. The ending of Prometheus opens the gap between the birth of the 'first' encountered xenomorph and the cause. Obviously 'because' there will be a prequel this will be the main content in future episodes, just natural that it will connect in one way or the other.

The morphology has previously played a big role in the alien universe and it will obviously continue if the previous parts were ever to merge into one(there's a visual difference between the Proto Alien and the Lurker everyone has noticed). The plot will focus on how the alien will evolve into what it is, might it be a cross with a human or to justify the bio-mechanical appearance with a cyborg for example. There are a bunch of options out there which are quite limited in regards to expectations. One way or the other the whole story is limited in strict boundaries, there are however plenty of options to outline all this. It was hinted that this bio weapon was to destroy earth, but why? Also why would the superior race react directly aggressive towards the inferior humans on encounter? This is all up to some tweaking, but in the end it will come down to the basics. The main story is almost inevitable, it has been built up and there's a big piece gonna fit at the end.

SM

Sequel doesn't need to connect to Alien at all.  It can, and should, continue off in the direction it was going when the film ended - Shaw's search for answers.

underbound

I would like to see shaw visit the home planet(ship,asteroid because there are few left right?)and when she shows up they all crowd around her and whisper asking in alien tongues what she is,where she came from and where she got the ship.but all hell goes loose and somehow the deacon was on the ship the whole time growing.and it scares the engineers(space jockeys)and they dont know what to do(giving it an ALIEN thing is what a im trying to do)so they all hide in one spot thinking of strength in numbers not walking off or spreading and one jockey can talk english(it study the human race like shaw try to study them.and shaw asks why are they trying to kill the humans.then the jockey says that things werent going so well for there race and a back story shot appears showing that at one point we were all space jockeys but the primitive kind while some enlighten them selves and tried to enlighten us but we said no and caused war on them.so then they were losing the war and decided to make a weapon(black goo and xenos)to kill us to eventually stop the war.(SIDE IDEA:then predators show up and see the war with the bio-weapons and decides to hunt them causing a three way war. remember this is a side idea so dont take it seriously)but as time went on the enlightened space jockeys were still losing and the bio weapons were killing them also.
so in this they made ships to get off the planet(which is earth sorry forgot to say that)and took experimental bioweapons to improve themso they attack appropriate targets. then they got tired of living on ships because there kind could only do so much in there and went in search of a planet to live on. as time went on they found there lives better. then a thought of the primitive space jockeys(us) they go back to try and make peace. but no amount of time could break the hate we have for them so they kick the bioweapins back up and try to perfect it. and the ones who run the certain weapon went on a ship to test it on other species(ANOTHER SIDE IDEA:one crew goes to the predator planet and launch the weapon and the prefs see it as a threat so they blast the jockey ship while trying to figure out what the launched object was. and then a facehugger shoots out and grips a pred by stander and they dont know what to do because they have never seen that stage before. and as hours went by a chest buster comes out and hides in a kill while eating it and grows into a predalien and such giving thought of avp, ill talk about it later)so three ships weapons went lose killing the pilots or most of the crew.giving us the derelict and juggernaut while the third in not discovered by us yet. and shaw thinks about the jockey war and thinks of the human race and see's we havent changed a bit. the deacon ill have to save for another post if someones interested because this one is long so im gonna stop.
But basically this is a space jockey back story. what are your opinions about this? I want to know.

Mustangjeff

Quote from: Blacklabel on Apr 02, 2013, 06:20:36 PM
Yep. ^

Ideally they should just explain what happened in LV-223 and put a link between those events and the Derelict at LV-426. (My favourite pet theory: Sabotage. A lone Engineer infected a few of his colleagues to defend the fellas back on earth... the Derelict craft got away from the planet but still managed to have a xeno aboard...)
They dont even need to do anything fancy.... just a few lines of dialogue for that backstory would be enough... then they should focus on a stronger stand alone story.

This is almost the same theory I've been touting since the movie was released (so nice job  ;D)  Mine is a little different.

LV-223 was the base for the Engineers who were visiting, upgrading, and helping humans.   This was a fringe group and creating life in their own image is a no no in Engineer society.

Our benefactor Engineers are discovered by the Engineer establishment who infiltrate LV-223.  They find the location of earth and start loading up urns to destroy US.  We are an abomination in their eyes.  An Engineer releases "something" in an act of sabotage  to stop the mission to destroy humanity.  You can tie in LV-426 as either an infected helper Engineer, or as a bomber that was headed to earth.  The something could be some sort of facehugger along with some goo.  A facehugger could explain the death of the LV-426 pilot as well as the 3 dead engineers that had holes punched through their stasis pods.  The Black goo takes care of the Engineers in the temple "huddled group".  Or perhaps the goo creates the huggers.

It would be easy to tell this backstory.  Just have David come across the data in the Juggernaut and verbalize it for Shaw, or shown as a 3D video image recording.

T Dog

It would be easy to tell that backstory but somehow I think they'll just go with the "earth was a petri dish" answer and their weapon turned on them.

Unless another director with a better sense of story helms it you aren't going to get anything satisfactory.
There was barely a story in Prometheus to begin with.

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