The PCJ Premise...

Started by Quick N Slick, Jul 25, 2010, 01:16:35 AM

Did You Like The Storyline?

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Quick N Slick

Quick N Slick

A sub-discussion on another topic has inspired this. Myself & another member disagree in polar fashion over the game's storyline concept.

What did you think? Did you like its style, or not? Let's get a consensus here...

Tangakkai

Tangakkai

#1
It was somehow interesting how it captured certain elements of not only Predator 1 but also Predator 2 (City Environment, etc.). A lot of details from the movies were in there and I thought the basic structure of the game (slaying until the end) fitted perfectly. However the plot was just over the top. I know it's a game and therefore not really canon but still, having a man who manipulates his genes into something like Predators and fighting Aliens in the middle of the city just made me cringe.

Basically less is more, don't try to bring everything that's possible in a game but use the best elements (which in this case clearly aren't Xenos and genemanipulated Villains).

Stalker

Stalker

#2
As a whole, I thought the story was downright garbage. It was so implausible it actually ruined the game for me.

I thought the parts with the predator hunting down the Mafia in the 1930s were actually kind of cool, but then it all went downhill fast.


Scarface sets off his self destruct, which obliterates the entire city, yet he somehow comes out unscathed. He is dishonoured for revealing the existence of his species to mankind (uh...wait, isn't nuking a city a good way to eradicate evidence according to every Sci-Fi movie ever made..?) & is sent to a barren planet in exile for 100 years.

Flash forward to 2030 & Scarface is still standing there, in the exact same spot, looking like he has just finished his lunch break. In all this time, humans have somehow dig up his mask & combistick out of the rubble of a nuked city (errr...what the f**k?) & created an entire new, space-age metropolis. I'm calling bullshit right there on the very premise. How did he survive the nuke, how did humanity salvage a couple of tiny pieces of gear out of a city that had been totally destroyed?

Anyway, moving on. Coming back to Neonopolis, the predator has to redeem himself for the 'sins of his past' & sets about hunting down all the criminal gangs who are using the stolen Prometheus technology. First it's the Serviteurs, cheap knock-offs of King Willie's goons from Predator 2. Then the Deadmen, drugged-up like walking zombies, & finally the Mafia itself. Along the way Scarface fights against giant mech suits & crack heads who jump around like Wolverine with metal blades on their hands. Already this is playing out like a total cartoon.

Los Matadores begin taking over the city. A gang who consist entirely of Lucha libre wrestlers led by Chavo Guerrero, (aka: El Hongo). After the predator kills all their pimps & whores, Chavo Guerrero pleads for help from Lucretia, the scary boss lady, who unleashes a bunch of cybernetic Terminator-inspired freaks onto the predator, who are killed in short order.

Chavo, now shitting his pants, seeks refuge at a black market arms deal, run by--wait for it--ex porn stars turned hookers. Now we've really gone off the deep end. The predator murders everyone, busts into Lucretia's compound & then gets his ass kicked by about 100 cybernetic Terminators.

After being captured, he finally breaks out of the research labs, fighting against robotically modified bad bloods & Ronins (aka: Samurai) before finally reaching the lair of MOTHER, the supercomputer controlling the city. She is actually the remnants of Isabella Borgia, the woman who shot Scarface through the eye 100 years ago. Some piss-weak aliens show up out of the blue & get stomped on like bugs, because apparently Scarface is invincible. He kills MOTHER & goes after Hunter, the son of the Mob boss he made a trophy of 100 years ago, who has now genetically modified himself into a predator-human hybrid. If you can keep a straight face by this point, then you must be made of stone.

Scarface then aligns himself with the Samurai Ronins to fight Hunter Borgia, who uses predator weapons by the way, & finally decapitates him. End of story, he goes home. Now this has to be the worst predator team-up ever. Scar & Lex in AVP was bad enough...but teaming up with a trio of Samurai? That is just comedy right there.

Credits roll, reference to Weyland Yutani Corp. etc. Total missed opportunity.

WisePredator

WisePredator

#3
You forgot to add the thing where Scarface can summon lightning, in the level "A Night To Remember"...

The storyline is facepalm-worthy, I would have preferred a free-roam style Predator game set in 2005 Earth and the Predator is hunting gangs and crap like that, but also he's being hunted by OWLF.

War Wager

War Wager

#4
It's probably the most ridiculous story ever put in a video game, but I liked it. Never took it seriously and just enjoyed all that unintentional humour. I mean, running over rooftops as cars fly overhead: whats not to like about that?

Bloodee Jacob

Bloodee Jacob

#5
Quote from: War Wager on Jul 25, 2010, 11:46:03 AM
It's probably the most ridiculous story ever put in a video game, but I liked it. Never took it seriously and just enjoyed all that unintentional humour. I mean, running over rooftops as cars fly overhead: whats not to like about that?

The main parts of the game are set in 2030 but I honestely doubt we will have hovercrafts or whatever those were by then. I liked the story I know the whole blood genetic didn't really make sense at all but other then that I really enjoyed it. And I thought Scarface surviving on that planet for 100 years with those bugs was pretty badass and cool and made you feel powerful throughout the game....at least for me anyways.

AcidGlow

AcidGlow

#6
Loved the original story. Sure beats repeating the "jungle hunt with soldiers" theme we seen in 2 movies already..  :P

Stalker

Stalker

#7
Quote from: AcidGlow on Jul 26, 2010, 02:03:09 PM
Sure beats repeating the "jungle hunt with soldiers" theme we seen in 2 movies already..  :P

There's nothing wrong with trying something original...but luchadores, mech suits & porn stars as the predator's adversaries? They could have thought of anything better. It's like bad fan-fiction written by a 10 year old.

Hell, if they just kept the '30s setting & stuck with the storyline about Scarface hunting down the Mob bosses it would have been much better.

Quick N Slick

Quick N Slick

#8
Quote from: InfamousHunter on Jul 26, 2010, 03:22:18 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Jul 25, 2010, 11:46:03 AM
It's probably the most ridiculous story ever put in a video game, but I liked it. Never took it seriously and just enjoyed all that unintentional humour. I mean, running over rooftops as cars fly overhead: whats not to like about that?

The main parts of the game are set in 2030 but I honestely doubt we will have hovercrafts or whatever those were by then. I liked the story I know the whole blood genetic didn't really make sense at all but other then that I really enjoyed it. And I thought Scarface surviving on that planet for 100 years with those bugs was pretty badass and cool and made you feel powerful throughout the game....at least for me anyways.

I think the implication was that stuff (hover vehicles, etc.) existed because of the Prometheus tech, & wouldn't have were it not for the events of 100 years before. An alternate reality, rather than just a straight-take on the near-future, if you will.

Stalker

Stalker

#9
How exactly did humanity recover a lost combistick, speargun & predator mask from the ruins of a nuked city in the first place? And how could they possibly craft a few basic tools into super-advanced technology & build an entire city based upon it?

If you think about it, in Predator 2 the creature dropped his mask, combistick, half his arm & wrist computer, a damaged plasma caster & a spear tip made from space-age metal, yet no flying cars or super-advancement in human technology was ever mentioned after that incident.

The very base of Concrete Jungle's storyline is flawed, it should never have happened.

Quick N Slick

Quick N Slick

#10
Quote from: Stalker on Jul 29, 2010, 09:34:37 AM
How exactly did humanity recover a lost combistick, speargun & predator mask from the ruins of a nuked city in the first place? And how could they possibly craft a few basic tools into super-advanced technology & build an entire city based upon it?

If you think about it, in Predator 2 the creature dropped his mask, combistick, half his arm & wrist computer, a damaged plasma caster & a spear tip made from space-age metal, yet no flying cars or super-advancement in human technology was ever mentioned after that incident.

The very base of Concrete Jungle's storyline is flawed, it should never have happened.

That part doesn't make sense, no. However, either does Scarface surviving, so may as well end the game right there.

Fact is, in even the greatest & most lauded stories, you have to accept holes like this.

OpenMaw

OpenMaw

#11
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Jul 29, 2010, 10:00:11 AM
Fact is, in even the greatest & most lauded stories, you have to accept holes like this.

I'd say the holes are generally distinctly smaller than this.



Not to mention the fact that in Predator 2 its made clear the predator gear is made out of a metal that is of a composition not native to Earth. IE: Even if we know how Predator Technology works, it isnt a given that we can actually replicate it, given that the raw materials are not currently something we can get our hands on.

Quick N Slick

Quick N Slick

#12
That was one item, not necessarily all items.

OpenMaw

OpenMaw

#13
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Jul 29, 2010, 11:10:55 AM
That was one item, not necessarily all items.

Common sense. Which is more likely? One item, or a few items, are made out of one really really light alien metal, or that because its an XT, and their gear is made on another planet, would like all be made out of the same or similarly alien metals?

The latter is more likely. I doubt the projectiles are made out of uber alien metal, and the mask is made out of aluminum siding.

Quick N Slick

Quick N Slick

#14
Maybe, but I still enjoyed the story for what it was.

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