The eggs on the derelict (Aliens)

Started by Infected, Apr 01, 2011, 08:38:25 PM

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Sabres21768

Quote from: SiL on Apr 02, 2011, 03:09:17 AM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 02, 2011, 03:03:11 AM
They company sent what would draw the least attention, or what was going to be closest to the planet on its return trip, or the one they could replace a crewmember with an android.
Or they could avoid all problems, scramble a ship on the down-low with a specially-fitted crew that knows what they're dealing with, and not risk a group of space-truckers getting scared and scuttling billions of dollars worth of resources.

Everyone involved with the plot of the original agreed that the Company only knew that something was there and that maybe they could use it. The Special Order is so vague it could just as easily refer to the Space Jockey as to the Alien -- Ash is there as insurance regardless. Nothing in the movie says they knew about the Alien.

And nothing says they didn't know.

It's all conjecture and doesn't really sway my opinion either way.

Valaquen

Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 02, 2011, 03:10:24 AM
And nothing says they didn't know.
Except for the director of the film.

QuoteIt's all conjecture and doesn't really sway my opinion either way.
Well, I don't want it to get out of hand or heated in any way.

SiL

SiL

#17
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 02, 2011, 03:10:24 AM
And nothing says they didn't know.
Except the filmmakers and how not a damn thing the Company does speaks of them knowing about an eight-foot-tall acid-bleeding space-monster.

Valaquen

They couldn't have known about the Alien; look at how befuggled and keen Ash is when presented with it. Obviously, they didn't know of an incubating, acid-bleeding alien. And again, Ridley's quote, supplied on page 1...

predxeno

For what it's worth according to Aliens Original Sin, the space jockeys traded the information about the derelict ship to to Loki (a human agency responsible for handling highly unethical transactions between humans and the jockeys), what they got in return was a planet with very valuable resources and a human population that could be turned into slaves.  The derelict on LV-426 was piloted by a jockey that was infected by its own kind, a tactic they aren't very fond of in the future.  Though, Ash in the novelization called the Jockeys a noble race for sending that distress signal even though that jockey in the derelict knew he would die though maybe Ash was never informed of Loki and the rest.

Valaquen

Hey, who let the EU in the door?

Darn rabble-rousers, dat EU...

bobby brown

Quote from: SiL on Apr 02, 2011, 03:09:17 AM
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 02, 2011, 03:03:11 AM
They company sent what would draw the least attention, or what was going to be closest to the planet on its return trip, or the one they could replace a crewmember with an android.
Or they could avoid all problems, scramble a ship on the down-low with a specially-fitted crew that knows what they're dealing with, and not risk a group of space-truckers getting scared and scuttling billions of dollars worth of resources.

Everyone involved with the plot of the original agreed that the Company only knew that something was there and that maybe they could use it. The Special Order is so vague it could just as easily refer to the Space Jockey as to the Alien -- Ash is there as insurance regardless. Nothing in the movie says they knew about the Alien.

Thank you.

Infected

In Alien,the crew gets woken up halfway the trip back home they dont know were they are and why they are so far off course.
When mother calls Dallas you see Ash pushing him with "mother wants to talk to you"
etc etc etc
They move on to the derelict Ripley finds out of the beacon's real signal purpose and Ash waves it off in a very dissrespectfull way to the lives of the crew.
So the crew is brought there on purpose knowing they cant defend themselves and probably will serve as carriers for the Xeno's only so later on the Nostromo could be boarded by the people who want the Xeno's.
Offcourse not knowing Ripley has the same fighting spirit as the Xeno's ;)

That makes me come to mind that Cameron fully ignored the mysterie effect and the part that its all about the origin and were the derelict ship came from but then again maybe Ridley didnt allow it to mess around with his and Gyger's mystery and kill it.
Or the trip the marines took with Ripley was only for the climate station and the colony's,
so therefore they could make a movie in between that some people were going for the jockey and the ship before ripley was found etc.
But a prequel is also good but i hate the mystery and the possibility Scott will not make another movie of Alien/Prometheus,and only a handfull people can pull of such a mystery.

SpreadEagleBeagle

The Company did not know about the Alien before Nostromo, just like SiL said (and explained to you all in a very clear way by using the magic of sheer logic).

Infected

I believe they did know and Ash's behaviour says it all in a very clear way that what they will encounter wont be any friendly.
If Ripley or the ships computer mother finds out that the message is a warning then they find out very late,
dont you think.
I mean whats more worth to the company 20.000 tons of minerals to get back to Earth or putting the lives and the cargo in jeopardy for a simple alien warning signal.
Therefore they had to know it.

SiL

SiL

#25
They really didn't.

Any ship running into an alien transmission has to respond. This is established in the movie. Company knows of a transmission, sends Ash along with the crew to ensure the return of something. What is never stated; Special Order 937 simply says to return a specimen of whatever it is they find.

People are trying to make a point of Ripley deciphering part of the message; all she gets is that it looks like a warning. Looks like a warning. The Company may well have figured this much out, too, but just because they knew it was a warning doesn't mean they know what it was warning about. Maybe there was a radiation leak. Maybe there was a nasty alien flu that could easily be avoided using their spacesuits.

The actions of the Company as shown in the film speak of people knowing shit's out there, not whose shit specifically.

StrangeShape

Quote from: Infected on Apr 03, 2011, 11:03:50 AM

I mean whats more worth to the company 20.000 tons of minerals to get back to Earth or putting the lives and the cargo in jeopardy for a simple alien warning signal.
Therefore they had to know it.

And think about it. If they knew they have a one of a kind, precious alien for bioweapons division there, they would send some dumb truckers in a battered old oil ship to retrieve? No. They would send some super team right away like in Alien 3

SpreadEagleBeagle

SpreadEagleBeagle

#27
If they had known about it they would've sent special personnel to deal with it and not jeopardize the catch by sending in a bunch of civilians fiddling with it, and on top of that wasting billions of dollars worth of ore and company property. They sent Ash as a last minute resort since they just found out about the signal. From the company's point of view they did the right thing, too bad for them Ash went haywire (that synth literally had a few screws loose).

Infected

Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 03, 2011, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: Infected on Apr 03, 2011, 11:03:50 AM

I mean whats more worth to the company 20.000 tons of minerals to get back to Earth or putting the lives and the cargo in jeopardy for a simple alien warning signal.
Therefore they had to know it.

And think about it. If they knew they have a one of a kind, precious alien for bioweapons division there, they would send some dumb truckers in a battered old oil ship to retrieve? No. They would send some super team right away like in Alien 3
How would you capture a xeno? go head on with a attack crew and knowing or your men will get killed or the xeno would get wasted or would you try to trap it contain it in a closed enviroment? were you could put it to sleep. i know this is a bad comparison but look at how they did it in ressurection put a group of suckers in a room and get them infected and voila.

SiL

SiL

#29
No, you send a team to grab an egg.

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