Quote from: Gate on Aug 25, 2015, 02:48:48 AM
Quote from: Shinawi on Aug 25, 2015, 02:04:36 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 23, 2015, 08:00:48 AM
The US can't stay neutral. Hell, technically the Korean "War" never ended but even calling it a war is misleading to a point. Also there's that pledge to South Korea to come to there defense in exchange for stability and to prevent any gross escalation in armament. Such as South Korea developing nuclear arms. It's similar to the pledge we have with Japanese and hell, Taiwan for that matter. We're in it up to our eyes lids and will help defend South Korea without question. Whether those punk South Korea brats want us to or not. 
Remember that the United States divided Korea. The US at that time was concerned that Stalin's military would communize all of Korea before the U.S. army could reach there. So a border was established that would stop the Soviet advance, which Stalin agreed with. Later on, the U.S. army left Korea, leaving advisors to train the South Koreans. When the North Koreans (who were heavily armed and supplied by Stalin) invaded, Truman thought that this was the start of Stalin's global domination attempt. This was why he sent the US military to Korea. Before the Armistice was signed, the US promised South Korea that some of the American soldiers would remain there.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 23, 2015, 08:00:48 AM
Also there's that pledge to South Korea to come to there defense in exchange for stability and to prevent any gross escalation in armament. Such as South Korea developing nuclear arms. It's similar to the pledge we have with Japanese and hell, Taiwan for that matter. We're in it up to our eyes lids and will help defend South Korea without question. Whether those punk South Korea brats want us to or not.
Look who's constantly threatening South Korea with nuclear weapons. I don't know why you have this hate for our close allies.
Hey, look at it from a globalized perspective: The Cold War is over. Annexations (unless you're Putin) aren't exactly profitable these days with so many literate ethnic populations. Think about this, would North Korea be able to assimilate South Korea, or would it be easier in reverse?
That doesn't change the fact that the balance of powers would become unstable in the Far East if the U.S. army left there. Japan is not getting along with China. North Korea still does border attacks on South Korea. The Cold War is over for you if you only think of Europe, but it's still unfinished business in the Far East. Also, the situation in Ukraine in Europe is a serious issue not to be ignored.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 23, 2015, 07:14:28 PM
With South Korea, they have no choice to help but stuff like ISIS we are better off not fighting against. I think it was better when America would stay out of other countries problems. When the Ottoman Empire was doing horrible things to Armenia or when Germany attack Poland, the US never bother with it. Why risk so much money and other soldiers lives for a war or fighting other people's battles that may not solve anything. We should let other countries solve their own problems and make their own decisions.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 22, 2015, 10:28:37 PM
It's probably just domestic posturing. North Korea wouldn't survive very long against even the South, let alone the combined might of any US forces called in.
Even if a second war with North Korea happens, we don't know how long it will gone for. Given how much time America spend in the last war in Iraq, it could take a decade. It always impossible to tell how long a conflict would last.
I think each war is a different case.
I was actually one of the few in my classroom who disagreed with sending our soldiers to Iraq. The only other who agreed with me in that room was my professor, being old enough to remember the Vietnam War. I read a lot of war books and watched war documentaries. My high school friends used to ridicule me for watching those, but my interest in that subject made me realize the problems and the unpredictability of wars. Even a radio host (Howard Stern) was calling for wars with various countries. People at that time were concerned and angry about the 9-11 attacks. Mainly, the people who've traveled abroad and/or a lot of the people who remember the Vietnam War disagreed with sending soldiers to Iraq. I've traveled abroad numerous times so I don't look at the world in black and white. Although Saddam was a tyrant, Iraq wasn't at war with us, so I didn't feel the need to extend the war to there. Unfortunately, my classmates misunderstood and accused me of being anti-American.
Ironically, Dick Cheney partly influenced my political views on Iraq in 1994 when I was growing up.
It puzzled me that he supported Bush jr. on the invasion later on. And then Bush's Axis of Evil statement gave me the feeling that we were headed the wrong direction. Without finishing the business in Afghanistan, he suddenly wanted to extend the war to the other countries that had no intention of invading us. And I clearly remember his original Axis of Evil list that included China and Belarus. Many people don't know or don't remember this because he quickly shortened the list without explanation a few days later.
WWII was different. It would've been easier for the Allies if they tried to prevent Hitler from expanding his territory early on. At that time, the German army wasn't as strong as the army would become later on. To be fair, the Allies didn't expect Stalin to invade Poland, but Stalin would've stayed back if the Allies opposed Hitler's greed for Poland more strongly. Hitler said that it was just to take back Danzig, but everyone knew that it meant the rest of Poland also. Later, WWII came to the US in the Pacific. The US didn't ask for it.
Quote from: Gate on Aug 25, 2015, 02:48:48 AM
Hey, look at it from a globalized perspective: The Cold War is over. Annexations (unless you're Putin) aren't exactly profitable these days with so many literate ethnic populations. Think about this, would North Korea be able to assimilate South Korea, or would it be easier in reverse?
The point of my earlier post was in reaction to WR's apparent hatred for the Koreans. He makes it look as if the South Koreans are the cause for this trouble. I was trying to explain the Koreans' side of the story.
