Poll: AvP vs AvPR

[Scorpio]

In addition, that is located in the Earth and in the current time takes away much interest. Every good Alien movie needs a futuristic or extraterrestrial setting.

But they're not Alien movies, as the Alien movies explore other worlds.  To do that with a crossover would be a disservice.  They set Predators on an alien planet and it turned out lame.  The first AVP may as well be on an alien planet if you took away the opening scenes. 

[SM]

I think they did more exploring of other worlds in Predators than any Alien flick.

[Scorpio]

I think they did more exploring of other worlds in Predators than any Alien flick.

You're absolutely right.  The whole movie they were exploring Hawaii* an alien planet.  That's more than any Alien movie.   

*And parts of Texas apparently.

[SiL]

Scar and Wolf had Plotarmor

How did Scar have plot armour? He got face-hugged minutes after the other two Predators died, got impaled through the shoulder by an Alien, impaled through the chest by the Queen, and finally chest burster'ed. Plot armour is when you walk out without a scratch like Wolf, not when you basically lose every fight you're in.

[SrSpinelli]

Scar and Wolf had Plotarmor

How did Scar have plot armour? He got face-hugged minutes after the other two Predators died, got impaled through the shoulder by an Alien, impaled through the chest by the Queen, and finally chest burster'ed. Plot armour is when you walk out without a scratch like Wolf, not when you basically lose every fight you're in.

So him not getting chestbursted in some minutes like the Humans(even if you bring the argument that it's longer because he is from a different species, it doesn't make sense because of how long it toke for the chestburster to do it's thing.), surviving being impaled, and surviving every fight except for the last one is not plot armor?

Yeah, a plot device is what moves the story a long. I don't see how Grid fits into that.

Killing two Predators in less than 3 minutes made the story move forward alot. Aswell as taking that guy that I don't remember the name. And aways appear leading the Xenos

[SM]

I don't see how he falls into the category of 'plot device'.  He's an antagonist.

[SiL]

(even if you bring the argument that it's longer because he is from a different species, it doesn't make sense because of how long it toke for the chestburster to do it's thing.),

Makes perfect sense. Predators take longer. The end.

surviving being impaled, and surviving every fight except for the last one is not plot armor?

No, it isn't. He survived his first encounter with an Alien by killing it before it could strike. He survived his second by throwing the Alien at Lex. He survived his third by shooting the Aliens. He survived his fourth by Lex shooting the Alien in the head. None of that says plot armour.

Killing two Predators in less than 3 minutes made the story move forward alot. Aswell as taking that guy that I don't remember the name. And aways appear leading the Xenos

That's not what a plot device is. That's called a character.

[StrangeShape]

Every good Alien movie needs a futuristic or extraterrestrial setting.

Not necessarily. I mean, with the action set on Antarctica, this as well may be an isolated, harsh, extraterrestrial planet

[The Cruentus]

While I can agree with you there, I personally believe (regardless of past, present of future in the timeline) that an Alien film should be set elsewhere other than earth since such a big deal was made about what would happen if Aliens got to earth, that said isolated places like Antarctica could contain the Aliens well enough.

[StrangeShape]

While I can agree with you there, I personally believe (regardless of past, present of future in the timeline) that an Alien film should be set elsewhere other than earth since such a big deal was made about what would happen if Aliens got to earth, that said isolated places like Antarctica could contain the Aliens well enough.

Thats right, Antarctica is the only place where they could be. Its so isolated from civilization, its so harsh in environment , without settlements, transports, people etc, that its basically as if its not set on Earth. I loved that idea, but any other place....it should end like it ended in Book I - world infestation and armageddon

[Kel G 426]

Only if the aliens survive, but they didn't, so the story could've happened anywhere.

that its basically as if its not set on Earth

Which makes me wonder what the point of being on Earth is in the first place.

[OmegaZilla]

Which makes me wonder what the point of being on Earth is in the first place.

Budget
"Modern day relatability"

[Kel G 426]

Would a future setting have affected the budget that much?  Most of the film would still be shot in the studio.

The Alien films had plenty of modern day relatability without being stuck in 2004.

[The Cruentus]

Would a future setting have affected the budget that much?  Most of the film would still be shot in the studio.

The Alien films had plenty of modern day relatability without being stuck in 2004.

Weapon and vehicle-wise, a future setting requires creating them while a modern setting will allow the crew to use what is currently available

[StrangeShape]

Only if the aliens survive, but they didn't, so the story could've happened anywhere.

that its basically as if its not set on Earth

Which makes me wonder what the point of being on Earth is in the first place.

They couldve call it some different planet and make their trip via spaceship instead of an icebreaker so there you go, thats why I dont see anything offensive with "how can aliens be on earth" in this very instance. As far as AVPR tho, thats a completely different ballgame