Alien Fan Whining...not entirely unwarranted

Started by happypred, Nov 10, 2007, 01:42:32 AM

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The Chibi Kiriyama

No one's saying that it should be reversed in roles. What Alien fans are trying to say to Predator fans (of which the skulls are so thick I'm sort of hoping these two franchises go their seperate ways after this) is that there are better ways to show a Predator hunting Aliens than to just have them stand around and get killed. We know that the Wolf has a scar on his face from acid blood splatter, but given the ineptitude of the creatures as displayed from what we've heard and seen from this film one would think that such a thing would've never happened on the basis that they're too easy to pick off to ever come close enough for that to be an issue.

Kriszilla

While predators should win when you look at it on paper, they are prone to arrogance. Much like the first two predator films, where the predators reveal themselves to their prey, and get wasted. When a predator gets cocky, the aliens will strike, and kill him. When they think they're safe, they die. Aliens are sneaky bastards, and cloaking doesn't work on them.

However, Wolf is an elite xeno hunter, presumably having much experience of fighting aliens in the past. So, it's fair that he knows what he is doing, and can make quick work of them by traps he knows will work, and tactics he knows will work. he knows that he can't just sit around, and he must always be alert.

At least, that's how it should be portrayed.

The real problem is that Wolf looks like a normal pred, and instead of showing he is better than normal predators, they've made the aliens look weak and retarded. I mean, he holds thier necks and all they do is flail about like Grid when he gets thrown onto the floor in AvP.

I don't think who wins every single fight matters, I just care how the two monsters are portrayed in battle. It needs to look like a there is a struggle, and that they are almost equal. It needs to make sense. Making the aliens look silly does not make Wolf look tough. It makes him look like an orderly at a mental asylum, sending patients back to their rooms.

Dark Passenger

Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 12, 2007, 08:47:45 PM
No one's saying that it should be reversed in roles. What Alien fans are trying to say to Predator fans (of which the skulls are so thick I'm sort of hoping these two franchises go their seperate ways after this) is that there are better ways to show a Predator hunting Aliens than to just have them stand around and get killed. We know that the Wolf has a scar on his face from acid blood splatter, but given the ineptitude of the creatures as displayed from what we've heard and seen from this film one would think that such a thing would've never happened on the basis that they're too easy to pick off to ever come close enough for that to be an issue.

Yeah what i think if aliens are attacking him one by one then yeah should be able to take a few out, but one of the things though is that he looked to stiff like when the aliens jumped on him its they were jumping into a brick wall. but i agree they shouldnt stand around waiting for there fellow aliens to get killed then attack.

Robotpo

Robotpo

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I just watched the "Store Showdown," clip again, and its really embarrassing how badly the Xenos come off. The design is just terrible; the jaw's a joke, the tendons on the face look like wet noodles, the neck's obese, the body looks like a mass of fleshy rubber. Even worse, their behavior is ridiculous: the leap onto Wolf, the hand-clap on Dale's shoulder, (and what the hell was it doing afterward?), the random hissing and spitting...it's just god-awful. I'm a fan of both the alien and the predator, and IMO, neither of them were as damaged by AVP as much as the Xenos look like they'll be in AVP-R...

Dark Passenger

Nah in avp he preds werent portrayed as there supposed to either.

happypred

Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 11, 2007, 03:43:39 AM
Aliens can dodge plasma rounds.  ;D

;D nah



Quote from: SiL on Nov 11, 2007, 08:12:18 PM
The Predators in Eternal weren't said to be inexperienced at all. We never learn anything about them outside of what we explicitly see; they could've killed Aliens before for all the comic shows us.

I guess that's debatable but the pointing pred seems to be saying "follow teh alien u nub"



Quote from: Robotpo on Nov 13, 2007, 03:15:00 AM
the hand-clap on Dale's shoulder

yes...I noticed that too, absolutely awful

superunknown

Of course Alien fan complaining isn't unwarranted, this movie is about as biased as you can get.  The plot, setting, characters, and battles all work in favor of the Predator.  Even the Alien design sucks.

There's hardly any reason for fans of the Alien series to even watch this film.

Dusk

What comic is that first page from with the Predators wasting Aliens? I honestly haven't seen it before.

nukem11

Has Colin ever mentioned anything on this debate?

Horhey

Quote from: Dusk on Nov 16, 2007, 09:15:15 PM
What comic is that first page from with the Predators wasting Aliens? I honestly haven't seen it before.

AVP War.

PredClanLeadrr85

we all know aliens can kill !! they are lethal we all know this!!! BUT BUT In Aliens a team of marines mainly 10 of them killed soo many Aliens.. I am true pred fan but i do respect aliens and enjoy all the films. All i am saying is 5-7 of the main character marines killed off at least 30+ Aliens if not more it seemed like alot... Hudson's last stand he killed like 4 of them in a couple seconds just firing his gun before he was killed. I dont see why its weird in the preview we see Wolf kill a handful of aliens. Wolf could eliminate the entire squad of marines from aliens with relative ease in the right environment so i dont see why alien fans think its not possible.

nukem11

Quote from: PredClanLeadrr85 on Nov 16, 2007, 11:24:07 PM
we all know aliens can kill !! they are lethal we all know this!!! BUT BUT In Aliens a team of marines mainly 10 of them killed soo many Aliens.. I am true pred fan but i do respect aliens and enjoy all the films. All i am saying is 5-7 of the main character marines killed off at least 30+ Aliens if not more it seemed like alot... Hudson's last stand he killed like 4 of them in a couple seconds just firing his gun before he was killed. I dont see why its weird in the preview we see Wolf kill a handful of aliens. Wolf could eliminate the entire squad of marines from aliens with relative ease in the right environment so i dont see why alien fans think its not possible.

Buddy weve tried telling them that but they still moan.

Xenomorphine

Quote from: PredClanLeadrr85 on Nov 16, 2007, 11:24:07 PM
we all know aliens can kill !! they are lethal we all know this!!! BUT BUT In Aliens a team of marines mainly 10 of them killed soo many Aliens.. I am true pred fan but i do respect aliens and enjoy all the films. All i am saying is 5-7 of the main character marines killed off at least 30+ Aliens if not more it seemed like alot... Hudson's last stand he killed like 4 of them in a couple seconds just firing his gun before he was killed. I dont see why its weird in the preview we see Wolf kill a handful of aliens. Wolf could eliminate the entire squad of marines from aliens with relative ease in the right environment so i dont see why alien fans think its not possible.

(1) The Marines killed a lot fewer than you might think. It's a superficial view. You have to take into consideration confirmed deaths we actually see (plus, the high number seen on the motion tracker closing in around Ripley and Hicks, later on in the story). Even the one Vasquez shot was still at least moving after. It might have merely been stunned and little more.

(2) Elite Predators? Great! But if they're going up against opponents who go into paralysis, they're not going to look very elite. What's frustrating so many is not that the Predator is killing so much, it's that the supposed opposition isn't putting up much of a fight, even in circumstances when it has every opportunity to do.

(3) Predators could kill Colonial Marines, sure. But the opposite could also be said to be true.

superunknown

Predator fans have a mental block when it comes to certain things.  Arguing with them with logic and canonical points is useless, I've learned that much.

Gates

Gates

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Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 16, 2007, 11:44:02 PM
(1) The Marines killed a lot fewer than you might think. It's a superficial view. You have to take into consideration confirmed deaths we actually see (plus, the high number seen on the motion tracker closing in around Ripley and Hicks, later on in the story). Even the one Vasquez shot was still at least moving after. It might have merely been stunned and little more.

So true...I love how everyone assumes they are kills...if memory serves me right the only confirmed kills in Aliens are by way of Smartgun, Sentry Guns, and shotgun in mouth (which are maybe a total of 10-15 kills, 20-25 if you want to give the Sentry Gun kills that many), you clearly see the aliens blown to pieces by those weapons...the Pulse Rifle and sidearm hits are questionable, if you watch closely all the bullets fired at a distance from these two weapons spark on impact, call me crazy but when a bullet sparks on contact with any object, it can only imply two things; A. it bounced off, or B. fragmentation of the round (in which case the kinetic energy of the round itself is lessened)...never does the movie show penetration by these rounds, except for two point-blank range hits; ergo, the Vasquez getting wounded scene and Hicks' acid spray in the elevator, and as Xenomorphine pointed out, the alien that Vasquez shot in the head was still alive, just wounded and completely out of the fight...

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