Alien3: Why didn't the company just return to LV-426? +Resurrection question

Started by StayFrosty, Oct 28, 2011, 07:44:34 AM

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Alien3: Why didn't the company just return to LV-426? +Resurrection question (Read 9,548 times)

Xenomrph

QuoteStayFrosty and Xenomrph, when Lambert announced the planetoid's size of being 1200 km, she might have overlooked one "zero" character, as Van Leuwen misspelt Ripley's NOC during the hearing in Aliens, when he changed one number (14472) against the ID, which is clearly noticeable on screen behind her back (14672). Human's factor...
Well yes, that's the explanation I've always used. There are those who aren't willing to accept that, though. :P

QuoteWhat really puzzles me about Alien^3 is why didn't they just waste Ripley (and Morse to boot, not a big deal after Aaron's execution) in the finale to eviscerate her later, if they wanted this magnificent specimen so bad? Isn't crew expendable any more?
Well at that point I suspect the W-Y guys wanted as many survivors as they could detain, for interrogation purposes. Kneecapping Morse was enough to keep him from escaping, but Aaron ended up actually being a violent threat so they killed him. They did kneecap Morse at a pretty significant range with just one shot, it kind of makes me wonder why they didn't kneecap Ripley too. No risk of hitting the Queen if they're shooting Ripley in the leg, after all. :P

aliennaire

chupacabras acheronsis, had they hit her in the head, for instance, baby Queen would have remained intact... Moreover, as A^3 suggests, creature can gestate even in the dead body (reference to ox's chestburster, assemly cut).

Yes, you're right, Xenomrph, they just could have to cripple her of free walking by injuring as wel, and, would Ripley survive the surgery, incessant company would have two limping onlookers to answer their questions :-)

SiL

Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 30, 2011, 07:09:22 PM
There are those who aren't willing to accept that, though. :P
Just as there are those who aren't willing to accept that Alien Resurrection does a pretty good job invalidating just about all of the EU. :P

Xenomrph

Quote from: SiL on Oct 30, 2011, 09:36:47 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 30, 2011, 07:09:22 PM
There are those who aren't willing to accept that, though. :P
Just as there are those who aren't willing to accept that Alien Resurrection does a pretty good job invalidating just about all of the EU. :P
I have no idea what you're talking about good sir! :P

SM

QuoteIn any event, why not at least TRY going back to LV-426 to see if the eggs are still there?

There's no reason to believe they didn't.  However based on the dialogue in Resurrection - and the fact there is even a Resurrection - means they didn't find anything they could use.

ralfy

Good question. They could have seen if there was anything to recover from the derelict ship.

Also, FWIW, Bishop tells Ripley in the third movie that the company knows everything: the computer was sending all information about what happened (either to the Sulaco, the expedition, or both).

Finally, a decade's worth of new material complicates matters further, like Isolation.

Acid_Reign161

Quote from: ralfy on Jan 03, 2024, 01:48:14 PMGood question. They could have seen if there was anything to recover from the derelict ship.

Also, FWIW, Bishop tells Ripley in the third movie that the company knows everything: the computer was sending all information about what happened (either to the Sulaco, the expedition, or both).

Finally, a decade's worth of new material complicates matters further, like Isolation.


When Bishop tells Ripley that the company "knows everything", he is referring only to the Sulaco flight recorder data (as he specifies, it's sent to the Network); so the company knows everything that happened on the Sulaco; a fire in cryogenic compartment, personnel evacuated in an EEV launch, and that there was movement/an alien on board and that it was present in the EEV all the way to Fiorina 161. The company doesn't know any more than that (at that point).

Local Trouble

Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 03, 2024, 04:14:10 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 03, 2024, 01:48:14 PMGood question. They could have seen if there was anything to recover from the derelict ship.

Also, FWIW, Bishop tells Ripley in the third movie that the company knows everything: the computer was sending all information about what happened (either to the Sulaco, the expedition, or both).

Finally, a decade's worth of new material complicates matters further, like Isolation.


When Bishop tells Ripley that the company "knows everything", he is referring only to the Sulaco flight recorder data (as he specifies, it's sent to the Network); so the company knows everything that happened on the Sulaco; a fire in cryogenic compartment, personnel evacuated in an EEV launch, and that there was movement/an alien on board and that it was present in the EEV all the way to Fiorina 161. The company doesn't know any more than that (at that point).

The EEV kept transmitting even after the crash.  That's how they discovered Ripley was infected.





Xenomrph

Reminder that according to the CMTM, they totally did go back to LV426 once the Alien3 mission tanked.

Local Trouble

Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 03, 2024, 05:05:44 PMReminder that according to the CMTM, they totally did go back to LV426 once the Alien3 mission tanked.

What do you think they found?

Acid_Reign161

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2024, 04:46:03 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 03, 2024, 04:14:10 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 03, 2024, 01:48:14 PMGood question. They could have seen if there was anything to recover from the derelict ship.

Also, FWIW, Bishop tells Ripley in the third movie that the company knows everything: the computer was sending all information about what happened (either to the Sulaco, the expedition, or both).

Finally, a decade's worth of new material complicates matters further, like Isolation.


When Bishop tells Ripley that the company "knows everything", he is referring only to the Sulaco flight recorder data (as he specifies, it's sent to the Network); so the company knows everything that happened on the Sulaco; a fire in cryogenic compartment, personnel evacuated in an EEV launch, and that there was movement/an alien on board and that it was present in the EEV all the way to Fiorina 161. The company doesn't know any more than that (at that point).

The EEV kept transmitting even after the crash.  That's how they discovered Ripley was infected.

https://i.imgur.com/sYcCwjm.jpg



Indeed - however at the point Bishop told Ripley "the company knows everything" (as per the Ralfinator's comment), the flight recorder data was all they knew - Ripley became a massive priority once she had the medscan and revealed she was carrying a queen.

Local Trouble

Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 03, 2024, 06:01:18 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2024, 04:46:03 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 03, 2024, 04:14:10 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 03, 2024, 01:48:14 PMGood question. They could have seen if there was anything to recover from the derelict ship.

Also, FWIW, Bishop tells Ripley in the third movie that the company knows everything: the computer was sending all information about what happened (either to the Sulaco, the expedition, or both).

Finally, a decade's worth of new material complicates matters further, like Isolation.


When Bishop tells Ripley that the company "knows everything", he is referring only to the Sulaco flight recorder data (as he specifies, it's sent to the Network); so the company knows everything that happened on the Sulaco; a fire in cryogenic compartment, personnel evacuated in an EEV launch, and that there was movement/an alien on board and that it was present in the EEV all the way to Fiorina 161. The company doesn't know any more than that (at that point).

The EEV kept transmitting even after the crash.  That's how they discovered Ripley was infected.

https://i.imgur.com/sYcCwjm.jpg



Indeed - however at the point Bishop told Ripley "the company knows everything" (as per the Ralfinator's comment), the flight recorder data was all they knew - Ripley became a massive priority once she had the medscan and revealed she was carrying a queen.

As an aside, this is also more evidence that Ripley wasn't the one infected in the opening scenes.  If she was, the company would have known that too.

Acid_Reign161

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2024, 06:04:09 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 03, 2024, 06:01:18 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2024, 04:46:03 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 03, 2024, 04:14:10 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Jan 03, 2024, 01:48:14 PMGood question. They could have seen if there was anything to recover from the derelict ship.

Also, FWIW, Bishop tells Ripley in the third movie that the company knows everything: the computer was sending all information about what happened (either to the Sulaco, the expedition, or both).

Finally, a decade's worth of new material complicates matters further, like Isolation.


When Bishop tells Ripley that the company "knows everything", he is referring only to the Sulaco flight recorder data (as he specifies, it's sent to the Network); so the company knows everything that happened on the Sulaco; a fire in cryogenic compartment, personnel evacuated in an EEV launch, and that there was movement/an alien on board and that it was present in the EEV all the way to Fiorina 161. The company doesn't know any more than that (at that point).

The EEV kept transmitting even after the crash.  That's how they discovered Ripley was infected.

https://i.imgur.com/sYcCwjm.jpg



Indeed - however at the point Bishop told Ripley "the company knows everything" (as per the Ralfinator's comment), the flight recorder data was all they knew - Ripley became a massive priority once she had the medscan and revealed she was carrying a queen.

As an aside, this is also more evidence that Ripley wasn't the one infected in the opening scenes.  If she was, the company would have known that too.

It's a hard one to gauge - as right after we see a scan of one of the Sulaco crew with a facehugger attached, we see Ripley hugger-less in her tube before the EEV launches... but the glass is broken. So, if we roll with the theatrical cut (omitting a superfacehugger) to me, there were at least two huggers - one that impregnated Ripley, one that attempted to impregnate Newt (the bio scan was Newts) which failed when she drowned in her tube - it then got Spike instead.

Or we roll with the superhugger and the possibility that it doesn't require long at all to lay an embryo, literally hopping from host to host... visually we don't see it that way unless it sheds its skin like a chestburster and grows over time 😂

Local Trouble

Or it happened exactly like it did in the script and the queen embryo crawled out of Newt and into Ripley after the crash.

It's stupid, sure, but that's Alien 3's script for you.

Xenomrph

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2024, 05:24:51 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 03, 2024, 05:05:44 PMReminder that according to the CMTM, they totally did go back to LV426 once the Alien3 mission tanked.

What do you think they found?
According to the CMTM, eggs.

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