Weyland Yutani's prior knowledge of the aliens

[SiL]

everyone onboard knew it was big and therefore not able to be contained as a specimen.

So long as it was on the ship, it was contained. Crew expendable - If they died keeping the Alien onboard, so be it.

[Kimarhi]

Thats IF he received it.  Most likely he was reporting back and forth to the company through the network.

Think about how conversation typically goes, one subject goes to another.

Ash: Remember that totally rad looking spaceship you sent me too?
WY: Yeah dude!
Ash: Well we found some kind of thing on it and it jumped on one of my boy's face!
WY: Oh snap son.  Keep me posted.
*sometime later*
Ash: It popped out of dudes chest!
WY: For real tho?
Ash: Fo' Shizzle.
*sometime later*
Ash: Its eating all my dawgs now.
WY: Special order 9037 is now in effect.
Ash: Orders received general.

[Ballzanya]

The company knew of the jockey ship because of its broadcast.  They didn't know about the Aliens.

that's what i thought but the special order 2037 was given before ash even had a facehugger to study. It was the order sent directly from Weyland Yutani which re-routed the ship in the first place to go to lv-426. Ashes explanation for that was really hiding a lot. How would an order to retrieve a "specimen" be issued before they even checked out the planet, if they didn't have prior knowledge?

2037 (was it 2037?) was about the Alien.  About what the company knew about the Alien through Ash.  We don't know what directive the company called the rerouting of the Nostromo to investigate Acheron was.  They were two different things.

actually it listed

"nostromo re-routed"
other priorities expendable
obtain specimen

or something to that effect once ripley accesses mother, so its clear the re-routing was related to the alien and not just a routine contract clauses saying that intelligent life has to be investigated if any signals are found.

[Ballzanya]

Technically he wouldn't have to contain it, just prevent the crew from killing it.  Once the crew were all dead the alien could be left to do whatever the hell it wanted, it wasn't exactly going anywhere.

It was never established that the alien wouldn't kill him. The queen attacks bishop in aliens, so the fact that he was an android even if sensed by the alien, should not have changed it's instincts. Plus that would be a lot harder to explain than say, stashing a cryogenically frozen chestburster specimen on the ship and bringing back to weyland yutani's bio-weapons division labs.

[Porkus Maximus]

It was never established that the alien wouldn't kill him

That's true but don't forget "crew expendable" could apply to Ash as well, moreso because he's synthetic.

[Kimarhi]

The company knew of the jockey ship because of its broadcast.  They didn't know about the Aliens.

that's what i thought but the special order 2037 was given before ash even had a facehugger to study. It was the order sent directly from Weyland Yutani which re-routed the ship in the first place to go to lv-426. Ashes explanation for that was really hiding a lot. How would an order to retrieve a "specimen" be issued before they even checked out the planet, if they didn't have prior knowledge?

2037 (was it 2037?) was about the Alien.  About what the company knew about the Alien through Ash.  We don't know what directive the company called the rerouting of the Nostromo to investigate Acheron was.  They were two different things.

actually it listed

"nostromo re-routed"
other priorities expendable
obtain specimen

or something to that effect once ripley accesses mother, so its clear the re-routing was related to the alien and not just a routine contract clauses saying that intelligent life has to be investigated if any signals are found.

Nostromo rerouted to new coordinates.  They found out about the alien and were going to study it someplace outside of quarantine most likely.  It was referring to the Nostromo's future destination, not its past one.

And as Sil already said, Ash was probably expendable too.

[Ballzanya]

It was never established that the alien wouldn't kill him

That's true but don't forget "crew expendable" could apply to Ash as well, moreso because he's synthetic.

well he was the one keeping the company informed, so was of at least some minimal value to them. Also they wouldn't know where the hell the alien is on the ship. Without ash, they could open a door, alien is right there, and it starts killing them.

[Ballzanya]

The company knew of the jockey ship because of its broadcast.  They didn't know about the Aliens.

that's what i thought but the special order 2037 was given before ash even had a facehugger to study. It was the order sent directly from Weyland Yutani which re-routed the ship in the first place to go to lv-426. Ashes explanation for that was really hiding a lot. How would an order to retrieve a "specimen" be issued before they even checked out the planet, if they didn't have prior knowledge?

2037 (was it 2037?) was about the Alien.  About what the company knew about the Alien through Ash.  We don't know what directive the company called the rerouting of the Nostromo to investigate Acheron was.  They were two different things.

actually it listed

"nostromo re-routed"
other priorities expendable
obtain specimen

or something to that effect once ripley accesses mother, so its clear the re-routing was related to the alien and not just a routine contract clauses saying that intelligent life has to be investigated if any signals are found.

Nostromo rerouted to new coordinates.  They found out about the alien and were going to study it someplace outside of quarantine most likely.  It was referring to the Nostromo's future destination, not its past one.

And as Sil already said, Ash was probably expendable too.

I doubt they were going to study the adult alien. lol
Plus we don't know that if was future coordinates. How many re-routes could the nostromo be given in such a short period, its ridiculous to claim it keeps being re-routed over and over again. Is it ever established beyond speculation that it is not indeed referring to the intial re-routing of the ship to go to lv-426, a.k.a archeron.

[The Diesel]

Well really...the only time has to be near "Aliens" because of AR and the genius who wrote it make it sound as if Ripley killed them all the only other option would be for it after AR and the aliens be back again...who knows lol probally they won't even say the date jsut make the movie in space

I like the story of the first AvP computer game.  It takes place on LV-426 ten years after the events of Aliens.  Apparently, the detonation at the end of Aliens destroyed the colony but not the derelict space craft.  A new research facility is established which is built around the derelict craft. 

It would be nice if they could ignore Alien Resurrection altogether.  I had heard a rumor that one of the ideas for Alien Resurrection was that Alien 3 was a dream that Ripley had in hyperspace.  I don't know if this is true or not.  I thought it would have been awesome because Hicks could have survived.  Have any of you dudes ever heard of this?  Just wondering.

[SiL]

Special Order 937 is as follows (copying from DVD)

Nostromo rerouted
to new co-ordinates.
Investigate life form. Gather specimen.

Priority One
Insure return of organism
for analysis.
All other considerations secondary.
Crew expendable.

[Kimarhi]

The company knew of the jockey ship because of its broadcast.  They didn't know about the Aliens.

that's what i thought but the special order 2037 was given before ash even had a facehugger to study. It was the order sent directly from Weyland Yutani which re-routed the ship in the first place to go to lv-426. Ashes explanation for that was really hiding a lot. How would an order to retrieve a "specimen" be issued before they even checked out the planet, if they didn't have prior knowledge?

2037 (was it 2037?) was about the Alien.  About what the company knew about the Alien through Ash.  We don't know what directive the company called the rerouting of the Nostromo to investigate Acheron was.  They were two different things.

actually it listed

"nostromo re-routed"
other priorities expendable
obtain specimen

or something to that effect once ripley accesses mother, so its clear the re-routing was related to the alien and not just a routine contract clauses saying that intelligent life has to be investigated if any signals are found.

Nostromo rerouted to new coordinates.  They found out about the alien and were going to study it someplace outside of quarantine most likely.  It was referring to the Nostromo's future destination, not its past one.

And as Sil already said, Ash was probably expendable too.

I doubt they were going to study the adult alien. lol
Plus we don't know that if was future coordinates. How many re-routes could the nostromo be given in such a short period, its ridiculous to claim it keeps being re-routed over and over again. Is it ever established beyond speculation that it is not indeed referring to the intial re-routing of the ship to go to lv-426, a.k.a archeron.

It was only rerouted twice.  Once automatically because it received jockey transmission, don't remember Dallas exact quote but he says something to the tune of, "Mother is designed to awaken us should certain conditions arise, and they have."  

Not to mention Ash's quote of, "a systemized transmission of intelligent origin must be investigated, if not there is a total forfeiture of shares."

From there it was rerouted to whatever the new coordinates were.  Since the coordinates were most likely inserted by Ash or the company themselves into the computer, its no big deal.

And obviously they wanted the adult speciman.

"He's been protecting it right along.:

"Why would they want it."

"All I can figure out is they must want it for their bioweapons division."

Its not like we are clutching for straws.

[Ballzanya]

Special Order 937 is as follows (copying from DVD)

Nostromo rerouted
to new co-ordinates.
Investigate life form. Gather specimen.

Priority One
Insure return of organism
for analysis.
All other considerations secondary.
Crew expendable.

That's clearly not inconsistent with the argument that weyland yutani had prior knowledge. Surely they wouldn't go back to the planet again so it had to pertain to the initial exploration.
The way that ash so eagerly opens the door to the ship, once ripley refuses to, implies he knew something at that point. Therefore there must have already been an order to obtain a specimen at that point, or else i doubt he would have superceded ripley's orders, and she was tecnically captain while dallas was not on the ship.

[Ballzanya]

The company knew of the jockey ship because of its broadcast.  They didn't know about the Aliens.

that's what i thought but the special order 2037 was given before ash even had a facehugger to study. It was the order sent directly from Weyland Yutani which re-routed the ship in the first place to go to lv-426. Ashes explanation for that was really hiding a lot. How would an order to retrieve a "specimen" be issued before they even checked out the planet, if they didn't have prior knowledge?

2037 (was it 2037?) was about the Alien.  About what the company knew about the Alien through Ash.  We don't know what directive the company called the rerouting of the Nostromo to investigate Acheron was.  They were two different things.

actually it listed

"nostromo re-routed"
other priorities expendable
obtain specimen

or something to that effect once ripley accesses mother, so its clear the re-routing was related to the alien and not just a routine contract clauses saying that intelligent life has to be investigated if any signals are found.

Nostromo rerouted to new coordinates.  They found out about the alien and were going to study it someplace outside of quarantine most likely.  It was referring to the Nostromo's future destination, not its past one.

And as Sil already said, Ash was probably expendable too.

I doubt they were going to study the adult alien. lol
Plus we don't know that if was future coordinates. How many re-routes could the nostromo be given in such a short period, its ridiculous to claim it keeps being re-routed over and over again. Is it ever established beyond speculation that it is not indeed referring to the intial re-routing of the ship to go to lv-426, a.k.a archeron.

It was only rerouted twice.  Once automatically because it received jockey transmission, don't remember Dallas exact quote but he says something to the tune of, "Mother is designed to awaken us should certain conditions arise, and they have."  

Not to mention Ash's quote of, "a systemized transmission of intelligent origin must be investigated, if not there is a total forfeiture of shares."

From there it was rerouted to whatever the new coordinates were.  Since the coordinates were most likely inserted by Ash or the company themselves into the computer, its no big deal.

And obviously they wanted the adult speciman.

"He's been protecting it right along.:

"Why would they want it."

"All I can figure out is they must want it for their bioweapons division."

Its not like we are clutching for straws.

Ash explanations were most likely cover ups as he was protecting it all along. We don't know that the nostromo just happened to float through an area where it picked up a signal, or that weyland yutani received it and sent the ship there so it would have to then investigate because of the clause.

[Kimarhi]

Dallas said pretty much the same thing.  Why would he lie to the crew.  They had to investigate the transmission.  He knew it, and he used Ash as confirmation.

As for letting Kane in, it was the chance to investigate an alien lifeform.  One that might've had commercial applications.

And your STILL not answering why they didn't investigate the ship once in 57 years.

[Ballzanya]

Dallas said pretty much the same thing.  Why would he lie to the crew.  They had to investigate the transmission.  He knew it, and he used Ash as confirmation.

As for letting Kane in, it was the chance to investigate an alien lifeform.  One that might've had commercial applications.

And your STILL not answering why they didn't investigate the ship once in 57 years.

Well the information died with the crew of the nostromo. Weyland Yutani could have found the signal, but it was the nostromo and mother that determined the coordinates of the derelict ship. That info died with the nostromo being blown to smithereens.
Or maybe it was only the nostromo that recieved the beacon, even upon deciphering it, it probably wouldn't have too many details, it was a rudamentary non-linguistic warning. In this case prior knowledge of the aliens could have existed but not of the derelict craft.

How do we know that the impetus for even imposing regulations that say any potential source of alien life must be investigated, was not prompted by their desire to find the exact alien species they had at least some data on before?