Samurai and Viking are DLC too. Just cause Cleo is better than the worse classes doesnt make her great. Default Hunter class still way better than her. You are paying to play for a half decent melee class that is what the Berserker should have been in the first place and was before he was nerfed to shit due to complains at launch. She can be seen as a pay to win version of the Berserker for those that wanted to use melee as Predator, but melee isn't the most effective way to play as Predator anyway, only works vs randoms. Scout is not considered to be a good class by most people even though he is build for long range combat so being equal to him doesnt exactly mean much.
In the FT ranking I take in consideration both how the classes are while playing solo with randoms, on a premade team and at the hands of players that can maximize their full potential.
If you playing solo Dutch87 is overall better than Recon, Scout and Support, most players can have a higher chance of winning with him or Dante than with the other classes, since they are both tanky and damage dealing classes.
Recon is only S tier if you put the tracker perk on him, otherwise he is A like I said on the video, Scout only became S tier due to Illfonic fixing his post sprint 20% damage boost on the last patch, both can be insanely overpowered but only on the hands of players that know how to use those classes, mainly those that have very good aiming at spotting and shooting the Predator on PC + are playing on a coordinated team with classes that function well together.
On the hand of average players using Scout and Recon will make them die faster than if they were using Dutch87 since they are kind of glass cannons, without a team of other players to support you and not having good aim one wont get much out of them. Support's passive of damage reduction and fast revive speed on the hands of bad players only delays their death, it wont give them the same advantage as using Dutch87 does. Pay to win helps to give bad players a higher chance of winning vs those better than them, and thats mainly what Dante and Dutch87 do. Any type of player will get an advantage by playing with those 2.
Dutch87 almost made it to S tier though, he is probably a little better than the Assault and the OWLF Operative that are on the same tier. Maybe he could be above those 2, but then I would need a S+ tier to put Dante, Recon, Scout and Support and I didnt feel like the difference between him and the other 2 on A tier were worth making a whole tier just for him, they are more or less around the same level after all.
Problem isn't just having pay to win FT classes but not having Predator ones, that would be only fair. All decent DLC Predator were nerfed while FTs were not. Also if a FT class should be OP it should be Dutch2025 cus it would make sense considering the lore.
City used to be pay to win I guess, he was a faster Hunter with more gear points, then they decreased his perks points from 12 to 10 cus complains, thus stopped being the best Predator class. Valkyrie was nerfed as well cus people whined about her being overpowered, which despite that she indeed had the best stats in the game, being a complete superior version of the Scout, she couldn't carry traps together with medkits like Hunter or City so she had a disadvantage that prevented her from being considered the best class at least in the hands of those that know how to use traps. Before her nerf and Predator specializations, S tier would be her, Jungle/Hunter and City.
Another example of a S tier class that can suck at the hands of bad players is the Elder, since he can have an high offensive power due to Stalker many people choose to go for him, it gives the ilusion they can just overpower anyone, thing is his lack of stamina and speed will get most players killed vs fireteams that want to chase you down to kill. Unless you are someone with experience dealing with that, using him only make things worse for you vs agressive good FTs, since one will not have the chance to use his damage dealing strengh before dying.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 13, 2021, 01:59:41 PM
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