Alien - Inferno's Fall

Started by felix, Nov 27, 2021, 01:10:15 PM

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Necronomicon II

Necronomicon II

#255
The games are good though. Well two. The rest is a mush.


Requiem is so bad I just pretend it doesn't exist. So what's Requiem?  Mozart?

To clarify I've always used AVP as both a count and non-count noun where the non-count form refers to the whole idea, quantity, etc.  I  think the entire concept is garbage 😂, but in retrospect I did like those first two games, but that was in spite of the premise lol. The comics did nothing for me. And as I've said in another thread, I think most of the EU is trash.  😜

Engineer

Engineer

#256
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jun 27, 2023, 04:22:28 AMThe games are good though. Well two. The rest is a mush.


Requiem is so bad I just pretend it doesn't exist. So what's Requiem?  Mozart?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8vJ_lMxQI
To clarify I've always used AVP as both a count and non-count noun where the non-count form refers to the whole idea, quantity, etc.  I  think the entire concept is garbage 😂, but in retrospect I did like those first two games, but that was in spite of the premise lol. The comics did nothing for me. And as I've said in another thread, I think most of the EU is trash.  😜

When you say first two games... are you going all the way back to the Atari jaguar?

[cancerblack]

[cancerblack]

#257
I assume he means 99 and AvP2.

Also it's going to fall to me to make an actually playable tabletop version of AvP, because the Prodos one, aside from being dead, is based on Mutant Chronicles/Warzone and that shit is 30 years out of date mechanically.

Watch this space tho.

Necronomicon II

Necronomicon II

#258
Ye those were great, never played the Atari one. I've been binging console wars history videos lately and damn Atari had some bangers.

Engineer

Engineer

#259
I saw about 5 minutes of gameplay over 10 years ago for the jaguar game lol

The 2 pc games were classics though.

bobby brown

bobby brown

#260
I didn't finish this book. can anyone tell me how David is hinted at? (I heard he was).

xShadowFoxX

xShadowFoxX

#261
Quote from: bobby brown on Jun 30, 2023, 12:46:01 PMI didn't finish this book. can anyone tell me how David is hinted at? (I heard he was).

Well, if you must know,
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it sort of implies that David is responsible for this campaign due to a couple of androids that flew the juggernaut. And since the film Covenant implied that the Neomorphs were a specific direction from David, you could see the connections here in Inferno's Fall, but even that is kind of riddled with holes due to the goo being too magical again.
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Still Collating...

Still Collating...

#262
Oh boy. The most concise way I could describe this is disappointing, wasted potential. The book has really great parts and really, really bad bits IMO. The good parts are the best of the trilogy by far, but the bad stuff to me is baffling when a lore consultant is a coauthor. In short, first half - great! Second half - don't like it cause of the lore stuff that kept breaking my immersion. Full review:

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The character stuff with the family in the first half is great. Worldbuilding, finding out their personal history, nice stuff. Philippa did this part well with the guidance from Clara.

Biggest missed opportunity. They had old David models at the colony (makes sense cause of the RPG). The only interaction we had with them was written so well! AND THEY NEVER USED THE DAVIDS IN THE STORY AGAIN. Why?!?! That could've added so much more... A huge waste. And that David model was the best written synth in the story.

Nothing's really done with Zula or Olivia. The new Daughter synth from Davis was the worst written android I've ever seen. That was fan fiction level. The stereotypical robotic stiffness was so hard to read. This isn't Data from Star Track. Synths have never been so robotic in the movies and in the old EU. Even the Working Joes had a malevolence and hidden depth to them (Perchance to dream...). What's the point of having a synth "learn" how to be a human? When you've had lifelike synths for over a century now? It's not like she's even acting like a child, she's just acting like a badly roleplayed robot in a RPG session. And what's with the beaming backups and synth minds all of a sudden? That was weird in the RPG, it's still wrong here. This was never in the old EU when such a thing could've been useful so many times. How could Clara, a lore consultant, approve this?

The Engineer ruins, beings and creatures derived from them are so underutilized that it's funny. None of the imagery is well described and it's all very quickly glossed over.

You down a Border Bomber and you don't even go to search the wreckage? To see who's responsible instead of guessing? Why didn't the ship fight back or evade? It just stood there.

The alien imagery is very poorly described, along with the action. Nothing's clear or detailed. You can't introduce so many new looking creatures and say almost nothing of their description. Being red doesn't mean anything.

The first Neomorph attack was well done! Why couldn't we stick with that? I doubt it was Philippa's idea, but why do creatives always want to do their own thing using existing IPs? Why weren't the Neomorphs good enough? We've never had a book about them. They're only in one movie, they could be used more. The same wasted opportunity for the book, just like Alien's Fireteam Elite. They want to use the Neos, but not use them, like wtf?
Clara said in an interview that every new piece of Alien media has to have a different variant of the Alien. That is a horrible idea and misses the point of these creatures completely if you ask me. That's what got us the A:R flesh bags and the Newborn etc.. We did not need these confusing not Neos/not Aliens.
In doing so, you've screwed up how the Pathogen works. And recently we've had clarification on these subjects! Alex White's novels and the RPG really thoroughly clear up how the Pathogen works in it's base form most of the time. A consultant should know this. And no, the stupid new red element can't help change things so drastically. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
If you want red xenos as a nod to Genocide, than use normal eggs. You have the wildlife to be creative with forms. If you use Pathogen, the creatures are never armored, always fleshy and pale. And in the later novels we have no indication of David being involved. So it's not a modified version of the Pathogen. In the sense nobody should be able to create what David was trying for 10 years. And certainly not the same thing.

And even if you did, you make in that way the greatest sin of all. If you can create normal Aliens with a Pathogen Bombing, you don't need Queens or Eggs. And it's faster. You're saying the old original is dumb and the new stuff is better and cooler. That's what I couldn't get out of my head. All the micro Easter eggs to dozens of Alien media won't mean a thing when you don't treat the Alien right. This makes no sense, so I can't take the story seriously, as canon.

And the final wtf moment I had was near the end, in the span of a few pages of each other, the main character "almost died" 3 times! Setting it up 3 times like this seriously might be it and then 3 times going with a Deus Ex Machina to save the day. Philippa obviously knows how to write engaging characters, but when the action starts, things fall apart. I mean, just spacing things out a bit would've been easy, and not to do the same thing so many times back to back (the first was with the Engineers, then the other two times, out of the caves during the final battle, if I remember correctly, the Hippo xeno and the Raptror xeno). This litteraly happens in the span of like 15 minutes of reading.

Didn't like how easily the Jackals were handling the Aliens.

Expected more, especially regarding the handling of the Pathogen and Alien lore, like, you know, the most important things in the EU so far?
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BlueMarsalis79

BlueMarsalis79

#263
If I could give this a thousand likes I would.

SiL

SiL

#264
Turns out Scott was right when he said the beast is cooked, at least as far as the IP owners are concerned. They really just don't seem to give a shit about it any more.

BlueMarsalis79

BlueMarsalis79

#265
You are so cynical sometimes, as with unpolitical things, we need the middle ground.

SiL

SiL

#266
If the directive is to reinvent the wheel every time they make something, it's not cynical to say they don't really put much value in the original creature itself any more. If they can't just let it be, then it's fair to say they think it's cooked and need to keep spicing it up.

[cancerblack]

[cancerblack]

#267
We need a hero to just describe the "new" creatures in the way one might describe runners but insist it's an OC and hope the boss never bothered with Alien 3.

SiL

SiL

#268
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 05, 2023, 02:23:45 AMWe need a hero to just describe the "new" creatures in the way one might describe runners but insist it's an OC and hope the boss never bothered with Alien 3.
Or just go for broke on your Monkey Gorilla Ox Alien shenanigans. Stop with the freaking neo-proto-ecto-mesomorph goo monsters.

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#269
Quote from: SiL on Sep 05, 2023, 01:55:52 AMThey really just don't seem to give a shit about it any more.
It's always been up and down. You had the DH Press Alien books which were almost universally shit, and then you have Titan who I still think have put out more good than bad - including the lion's share of the best Alien novels ever published imo.

It's just a shame we've had so many duds on the bounce lately.

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