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Author Topic: VMP2: PREDATOR 2: Is the City Hunter Predator "bad...  (Read 3284 times)

SiL
Feb 14, 2019, 02:47:03 AM
Reply #60 on: Feb 14, 2019, 02:47:03 AM
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There was a short sequence in the original that was cut of the Jungle Hunter intentionally missing Dutch as he slid down the hill, playing with him.


Samhain13
Feb 14, 2019, 02:52:56 AM
Reply #61 on: Feb 14, 2019, 02:52:56 AM
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Scarface is still the alpha predator troll. He could shitpost with that vocal mimicry.

« Last Edit: Feb 14, 2019, 02:56:46 AM by Samhain13 »


Voodoo Magic
Feb 14, 2019, 03:10:40 AM
Reply #63 on: Feb 14, 2019, 03:10:40 AM
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Yeah, they have hunting guidelines. That's not really to do with morality though, even in humans.

I actually believe morality applies here:

  • morality
    /məˈralədē/  noun

    principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

    synonyms: ethics, rights and wrongs, correctness, ethicality More

    a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.



SiL
Feb 14, 2019, 03:44:59 AM
Reply #64 on: Feb 14, 2019, 03:44:59 AM
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So it's the 'morality' of hunting -- but I'm still not getting where CH acts immorally.



Oasis Nadrama
Feb 14, 2019, 08:17:31 AM
Reply #66 on: Feb 14, 2019, 08:17:31 AM
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Well, there's the "let's torture Mike by killing all of his acquaintances" part, which looks pretty convincing from the opening post.

However, there are other possible explanations to this behavior than simple sadism. The City Hunter could try to make the prey more dangerous or more clumsy through rage and grief, for example.


SiL
Feb 14, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
Reply #67 on: Feb 14, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
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Well, there's the "let's torture Mike by killing all of his acquaintances" part, which looks pretty convincing from the opening post.
All of his acquaintances were fair game. It's not like he went after non-targets to f**k with Harrigan.

EDIT

And for what it's worth "taunt your prey" 100% falls under their hunting rules.

« Last Edit: Feb 14, 2019, 09:16:16 AM by SiL »

SM
Feb 14, 2019, 09:21:58 AM
Reply #68 on: Feb 14, 2019, 09:21:58 AM
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Knocking off Harrigan's mates sounds a lot like knocking off Dutch's squad.


AhabPredator
Feb 14, 2019, 11:32:16 AM
Reply #69 on: Feb 14, 2019, 11:32:16 AM
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Nah, not bad blood material.

He just did those things to make Harrigan angry and lelesleless tactful in his approach of confront City Hunter. A bad blood would have not spared the targets that he did. He did this got get inside of Harrigan's ooda loop. For those not familiar with this concept, military and law enforcement use it. This short video will explain.

https://youtu.be/ji6z-0H2FG0

So while City Hunter did play mind games, that's part of what makes him extremely intelligent. His Meta game is on point because he thinks several steps ahead. But his hubris was his biggest downfall. Never underestimate dangerous, armed prey. Alas, you know the rest.


Voodoo Magic
Feb 14, 2019, 11:57:17 AM
Reply #70 on: Feb 14, 2019, 11:57:17 AM
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Knocking off Harrigan's mates sounds a lot like knocking off Dutch's squad.

Those situations are different.

It was slim pickings for human prey in the jungle. And the Jungle Hunter was not saving Dutch for last, based on the net trap scene. The Jungle Hunter was just plain hunting.

The City Hunter was following Harrigan through the city but not hunting him. Not killing him. The City Hunter followed Harrigan to seek out the people close to him and kill them, and leave Mike alive to suffer through it.

It all hinges on do you believe the Elder Predator would approve following someone, and slaying said someone's entire group of friends or family systematically just so said someone is forced to watch. It all hinges on would the Elder Predator approve the following of a prey to his place of mourning, not to hunt him, but just to mentally torture him.


SiL
Feb 14, 2019, 12:10:44 PM
Reply #71 on: Feb 14, 2019, 12:10:44 PM
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Why not?

Again, taunting prey is a 100% valid play. All of Harrigan's associates were fair game bar Leona, whom he spared. He didn't unnecessarily draw out kills, as you said. He just wanted to f**k with the one he considered the buck of the group.

Why would there be a problem? And what in the film indicates the reaction to his fate is anything other than "You lost your hunt, and that means death. Stiff shit."


Voodoo Magic
Feb 14, 2019, 12:59:30 PM
Reply #72 on: Feb 14, 2019, 12:59:30 PM
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And because you feel this behavior is valid play, it directs your opinion. Fair enough.


SiL
Feb 14, 2019, 01:11:03 PM
Reply #73 on: Feb 14, 2019, 01:11:03 PM
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You've not really made an argument for why it's not valid based on everything else we've seen.


BigDaddyJohn
Feb 14, 2019, 01:15:18 PM
Reply #74 on: Feb 14, 2019, 01:15:18 PM
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It's indication of rules, not necessarily a moral code. There's no thrill in hunting or killing prey who can't fight back. Of course, when the prey proves itself like Dutch... But then there's the cloaking device and the advanced weaponry. There is absolutely no honour in that.

Letting Harrigan go is a bit of outlier, granted, but it's one authoritative individual giving kudos to someone who bested one of his kind.
Dutch is right in his assessment why it doesn't kill the unarmed -- no sport, not no honour. They want a challenge.

The first Predator was absolutely sadistic in not just killing Dutch outright and instead beating him half to death.

I put the Elder doing what he did simply because the hunt was over; specifically, CH's hunt was over. Harrigan was his target and he didn't get him, nobody had any right taking the kill from him.

Giving the trophy didn't seem like a matter of course -- he turns, thinks, and then gives him a prize. I don't think they're used to prey walking into their home and gutting their buddies. It's like, "Yay you? Here's a prize, I guess? I don't know, f**k off, we're done here."

Maybe an exception for leona then ? She was pregnant but armed and seemingly able to fight, she was still on duty after all. So maybe this particular case could be seen as "dishonorable". If it isn't a case of morality there...

Would skinning a man alive count as sadistic?

To us it is, but to a Predator who views us the same way a hunter would view a bear it probably isn't.
Wait a minute, how do we really know anyone was skinned alive?

Ray in AvP-R.

Do game hunters normally skin their targets alive?  Sounds pretty sadistic.

It's just a stupid reference to the first movie for the sake of it, that's all, not meant to be taken literally.

« Last Edit: Feb 14, 2019, 01:26:30 PM by BigDaddyJohn »

 

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