Michael Bishop

[Frosty Venom]

SM's word isn't evidence. Neither is the W-Y Report not mentioning the events of AVP & AVPR.

[The Old One]

SM's incorrect / a deceiver?

[Frosty Venom]

More likely he is misinformed. But maybe.

Also please provide where in Prometheus Weyland Corp is called Weyland Industries apart from parts of the viral campaign.

[SiL]

SM consults with the people currently in charge of the Alien franchise license (outside of the films) -- comics, novels, games, etc. It's not so much that SM's word is law, as it is that the people Fox have entrusted with the franchise between films use his knowledge and expertise to keep shit together.

Basically, SM's word is trusted by those that Fox trust to keep the franchise together between films, ergo, SM's word is a pretty damn good indication of what Fox is happy to declare official canon.

[Samhain13]

Did someone say canon thread?

[Frosty Venom]

From discussions with SM it seems that he has interpreted the fact that Alien, Predator and AVP are different licenses as them being different canons/universes. Which isn't necessarily true.

I'll happily wait for Fox's official canon statement which, according to Hicks, is on the way.

[SiL]

Hicks has echoed SM's statements that the three are different canons.

The insistence that this is simply a licensing issue comes from people who key into that one idea -- different licenses -- and ignore everything else that quite clearly states "Licensing aside, they're not treating these as interconnected franchise at the moment."

[Frosty Venom]

What else clearly states that? I am willing to listen.

I agree that it's possible that Fox might be going in the direction of two canons but there definitely isn't 3. The Predator clearly shows that the Predator and AVP universe is one and the same.

[SiL]

The Alien franchise is currently considered its own thing, separate from AvP and Predator.

Whether Predator and AvP are intertwined or not is largely irrelevant to the fact that Alien has its own current timeline and continuity. As far a I'm aware, there's no group keeping track of Predator like there is for Alien.

[Samhain13]

As far a I'm aware, there's no group keeping track of Predator like there is for Alien.

When that explains The Predator alternative endings. But considering how Covenant contradicts some of the post-2014(is that it?) official canon material, novels and comics which SM said were canon btw, its clear that they don't really care that much about it.

ACM was marketed as canon, Fox just likes to throw that word when they are trying to sell something new.

[SiL]

Movies always have, and always will, take precedence. We've seen this as early as 1990/1992, when Predator 2 and Alien 3 ignored the existing comics and novels.

[Samhain13]

Yeah, but simply not even bothering to try to make the movies fit in with the other material marketed as the new canon makes it seems they don't care at all. Were those old comics marketed as canon at that time? Doesn't seem like there is a group on track of anything, if Fox wanted they could easily put limits on the history so that things didn't contradict each other. But they don't. What happened to their so called "alien bible"?

They just do things and never think about it on the long term. Which is why we kept getting retcon after retcon over the years.

[The Old One]

The quality entries weather the storm.

*Shrugs*

[SiL]

The movies have always been the canon. Everything else has to fall in line with them, not the other way around.

They weren't marketed as "canon" at the time because the idea of applying that concept to the franchises didn't exist. They were just the current spin-off stories. When Fox continued the movies, they ignored the licensed material and went with their own film ideas.

The group currently in charge of the Alien franchise is in charge of keeping it consistent to the movies -- not keeping a history that everything must adhere to.

Films > Everything else. ALWAYS.

[Frosty Venom]

The Alien franchise is currently considered its own thing, separate from AvP and Predator.

Whether Predator and AvP are intertwined or not is largely irrelevant to the fact that Alien has its own current timeline and continuity. As far a I'm aware, there's no group keeping track of Predator like there is for Alien.

Since when is that standard procedure?