Shane Black got hung out to dry??- This movie stinks of a FOX f-up

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Paul Anderson's stuff is crap, IMO.

His best films are Mortal Kombat and Event Horizon. And even MK isn't "good" by traditional standards. It's one of the better VG adaptations, but it's charm is in it's campness, IMO. Itwas definitely of it's time, I'll say that much.

Event Horizon is a solid sci-fi horror, one which I actually like.

But He's butchered Res Evil, I don't care what anyone says. If Capcom had a hand in that, then fair enough - you can't blame him solely for that. But they're poor films.

If he were to get an AvP gig again, it'd likely just be Milla Jovovic with a sword wearing leather pants shivving Xenomorphs before having some close quarter combat with a pred.

No, thanks.

[AVP-CAPCOM]

Paul Anderson's stuff is crap, IMO.

His best films are Mortal Kombat and Event Horizon. And even MK isn't "good" by traditional standards. It's one of the better VG adaptations, but it's charm is in it's campness, IMO. Itwas definitely of it's time, I'll say that much.

Event Horizon is a solid sci-fi horror, one which I actually like.

But He's butchered Res Evil, I don't care what anyone says. If Capcom had a hand in that, then fair enough - you can't blame him solely for that. But they're poor films.

If he were to get an AvP gig again, it'd likely just be Milla Jovovic with a sword wearing leather pants shivving Xenomorphs before having some close quarter combat with a pred.

No, thanks.

Great post! Especially in bold.



But remember that a female lead who was proficient in sword-play and martial arts goes back to the comics, videogames* (*at least CAPCOMs Arcade game which was meant to be a proposed movie tie-in had a sword welding female). Even the infamous Peter Briggs AVP script considered for a live action adaptation had designs on this.

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Paul Anderson's stuff is crap, IMO.

His best films are Mortal Kombat and Event Horizon. And even MK isn't "good" by traditional standards. It's one of the better VG adaptations, but it's charm is in it's campness, IMO. Itwas definitely of it's time, I'll say that much.

Event Horizon is a solid sci-fi horror, one which I actually like.

But He's butchered Res Evil, I don't care what anyone says. If Capcom had a hand in that, then fair enough - you can't blame him solely for that. But they're poor films.

If he were to get an AvP gig again, it'd likely just be Milla Jovovic with a sword wearing leather pants shivving Xenomorphs before having some close quarter combat with a pred.

No, thanks.

Great post! Especially in bold.

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But remember that a female lead who was proficient in sword-play and martial arts goes back to the comics, videogames* (*at least CAPCOMs Arcade game which was meant to be a proposed movie tie-in had a sword welding female). Even the infamous Peter Briggs AVP script considered for a live action adaptation had designs on this.

Thanks, mate. Capcom's AvP Acade Game is one of the greatest games ever made, IMO. I completed it about a year back on the MAME emulator. Incredible. Lin is actually my favourite to play as.

I think if you want to do an AvP 'properly', though you can't have Dutch with a mech arm and Lin with a Samurai sword in "San Drad" chopping Xenos to bits. An unbelievable game, but would be a shocking film.

If they want another AvP it ought to be set in the future when Wey-Yu is in existence (IE - In and around the timeline of the original Alien films).

After the events of Aliens, Wey-yu mercs discover a tropical jungle planet with traces of the black goo on it, or something. Another pred training planet. Could have the mercs being trailed by a Pred group as they're interested to see how humans fare against xenos. Then it becomes a free for all.

But I'm against them making more AvP movies. I think each franchise needs to concentrate on itself from now on. Make good alien movies and good Pred movies seperately.

[The Old One]

Indeed, I never want to see Paul W.S Anderson near the Alien franchise again in any role.

& On the topic of the franchises as separate entities, I'd agree but I believe that Predator is done.
At least without a vision, the franchise has no interest from modern audiences.

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Indeed, I never want to see Paul W.S Anderson near the Alien franchise again in any role.

& On the topic of the franchises as separate entities, I'd agree but I believe that Predator is done.
At least without a vision, the franchise has no interest from modern audiences.

I think AvP and to a MUCH lesser extent Predators have had a hand in why audiences aren't geared up towards Pred anymore.

To the casuals, they easentially changed the Pred in Predators and AvP gave us that God awful Predalien abomination. The casuals are where these films will make their money, sadly. (In terms of Box Office, that is). And I think that's why The Predator is what it is. A big change in the direction of the MCU to win casual seats over.

Sadly, the damage is done to the core fanbase and it's why I think they need to redact the AvP stuff and The Predator. You can make an argument for keeping Predators, but I'd redact that too. Give people a straight up Predator 3 and allow Alien to thrive also.

As much as they're liked by some, I point the finger of blame at the AvP films for the struggle of these franchises.

[Huntsman]

Indeed, I never want to see Paul W.S Anderson near the Alien franchise again in any role.

& On the topic of the franchises as separate entities, I'd agree but I believe that Predator is done.
At least without a vision, the franchise has no interest from modern audiences.

Agreed. TP was the franchise's big chance cinematically and they blew it, financially and artistically. It needed to be more than average.

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It's a film that easily could've been made for 20 million less, perhaps even 40.

[BigDaddyJohn]

Black has too much experience to deliver such shoddy work. Something went very, very wrong.

I'm thinking fox trying to shove his schlong up Shane Black's ass all the time from the get go in most of the decisions, but i can be wrong.

[Wweyland]

I think the first AvP movie is looked upon more favorably because movies, in general, have gotten much dumber in the past 10 years.
AvP is competently shot and does not rely heavily on CGI.
AvP is also helped by the fact that all the later movies in the AvP/Alien/Predator series have not been great and several are worse than AvP.

[The Old One]

Agreed.

[Huntsman]

I think the first AvP movie is looked upon more favorably because movies, in general, have gotten much dumber in the past 10 years.
AvP is competently shot and does not rely heavily on CGI.
AvP is also helped by the fact that all the later movies in the AvP/Alien/Predator series have not been great and several are worse than AvP.

It's true. Back in the day I was let down by AvP. And I am well aware it's far from perfect. But in retrospect it's looking decent.

[TheBATMAN]

@AVPCAPCOM:

No, Capcom have no choice over Paul Anderson being involved. It is down to constantin film who own the rights for the live action films. Capcom were happy with Romero's original script which was going to be a loose adaptation of the first game, but Samuel Hadida and Constantin Film wanted Anderson who was seen as a safer option to provide superficial popcorn action.

[SM]

I'm struggling to think of anything Anderson has done that would be on a par with the other directors you mentioned.

Paul W S Anderson movies that had flashes of brilliance but ultimately sub-par, but could be up there with the Director's mentioned.

Event Horizon. A love letter to Ridley Scott's ALIEN (1979) and James Cameron ALIENS (1986) in terms of set design, effects and costume. I'd rate EH a 4/5 movie for technical ability alone. Which is why I was frusrtated with Anderson's own AVP not following the same scope and futuristic design.

Resident Evil (first movie). Again a love letter to James Cameron's blue colour scheme, military squad tactics and sci-fi vehicle porn. Heck people said Paul W S Anderson was an inferior choice for R:E considering George A. Romero was due to helm........That's until we got Land of the Dead (2005) which was Directed by George A. Romero and a remake of Resident Evil- proof that was CAPCOM's creative doing and not Andersons.

Resident Evil (as producer) Apocalypse Retribution (as Director). The 3rd movie was a love letter to George Miller's MAD MAX and Retribution (5th movie) had more dropship porn and action than AVP ever could- along with fight choreography and squad action.

Again this is a fan-made recommendation but Paul W S Anderson is tied to CAPCOM, who has more creative say in its movie intellectual property than people realise. Remember Street Fighter (1994) making it a generic James Bond action movie rather than tournament fighter? (CAPCOM-Japan's orders). Remember the garbage live-action Legend of Chun Li (2009) being rooted in "reality" but with mystical elements and casting of Bison/Chun Li (all CAPCOM's brilliant ideas). Who has assigned Paul W S Anderson to its Monster Hunter videogame? (CAPCOM).

Sadly CAPCOM has not be attached to ALIENS VS PREDATOR since its arcade videogame of the same name and lost the copyright years ago.

If they were love letters, I'm guessing the breakups were messy.

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AVP wouldn't be that bad if some things were changed:
-R rating and bit more gore
-Pyramid was placed on another planet (and as hosts years ago some native lifeform was used, not shown directly but suggested through murals and bones) and human characters were Colonial Marines
-One Predator, maybe two at max
-Better design of a Predator face
-Less wrestling

AVP movie was very mediocre but wasn't actually that bad. Predator affairs with ancient humans was walking on a line, but wasn't as destroying the lore as what was shown in The Predator as humans were still below Preds, used as sacrificial lambs. Aliens on Earth is a little harder thing to accept but taking only AVP it could be tolerable as they were confined to the pyramid and in controlled enviroment which would prevent their spread to the rest of planet. Only AVPR made it worse by taking aliens to a city. Both things could be repaired if the whole thing was taken to another world. Preds were too easily killed, making the fights longer and more brutal would have helped.

About comparing The Predator with other films, it can be seen that it is more damaging than rest. Predators added new things like hunting planet and Super Preds but those were harmless as those were things of another clan and the actions of clan of JH, CH and classic one from Predators weren't changed in context. Clan of classics was still there somewhere, hunting with honor separately from Super Preds. Prometheus and Alien: Covenant are a little hard to explain but still in A:C there are clues that David was merely recreating an Alien basing on academic knowledge of original Alien strain that was lost to Engineers (who don't know about derelict on LV426). This still makes original Alien a creature of ancient origin and with enough explanation A:C doesn't contradict the rest that much (unless another sequel directly shows David crashing on LV426).
The Predator can't be explained, creatures previously hunting for sport now want to upgrade themselves with autism.

[Nathsp]

Im totally agree, puting jungle and city into the dna shit, it was unnecesary, the dna it just and excuse to make the giant dumb predator, just say its a clan, and let what makes the predator what it is.
I mean it has no sense that a specie so proud of themself start mixing with other inferior species, loosing its identity..